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Help needed with an impossible idea

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Wallywobbles · 20/02/2021 20:57

DD2 has to write a 3 minute speech using satire and fable to present the ideas that support the death penalty.

And then just a fable presenting the ideas against the death penalty.

The timing for each part is 3 minutes.

I am finding it really difficult to come up with an idea that works for the pro death penalty.

Can anyone creative / brilliant / kind etc help.

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heartshapedskull · 23/02/2021 00:14

Haha - backtracking now...

Iamthewombat · 23/02/2021 00:21

Are you?

heartshapedskull · 23/02/2021 00:36

sorry, can’t play games with you, I’m too busy pulling an all-nighter writing up a paper on existential physics for my kids...

heartshapedskull · 23/02/2021 00:37

Btw, is that the best comeback you have? Maybe you should ask your mum for help...

thecatfromjapan · 23/02/2021 01:00

Once upon a time, there was a family of hens. They lived happily in a corner of the farmyard, with grain to eat, warm straw in the coop, a high fence surrounding them: life was good.

But alas: there grew a hole in the high fence - and one night a Fox filled that hole, slipped through it, slipped like a shadow into the hen house and seized poor Hettie hen by the neck.

The other hens flapped their wings, and scratched their claws, and pecked with all their might. But it did no good. Poor Hettie was borne off by her neck by the Fox.

What to do? What to do?

Hestia suggested going back to sleep. Perhaps the Fox might move away? Or find some other hens? Or just forget about them?

Nonsense, said Henrietta. Since when had any creature forgotten where a good meal lay? And hoping? Well, you can wish and hope all you want - but had it ever made the summer last longer or the winter less cold?

No, said Henrietta, we must try and feed the fox some other food. Clearly, he was starving. If they would only recognise the poor soul's hunger, he would eat grain and leave them alone.

Well, within the hour. My Fox was back. Henrietta bravely set forth to meet him, with grain in her beak.

'Mr Fox,' she began, 'I see you are hungry. Would y---.'

Alas, she never finished. The fox seized her by the throat and carried her off to her end, between the bars of silver and shadow.

Well, the poor hens! Again they conferred, much concerned.

Harriet held the argument. Perhaps, she said, the problem lay in the inability of the Fox to recognise that he and they were of the one and same material? All held together in the palm of the hand of Being? Love, that is what the Fox lacked. He was hungry to know that he and the chickens were one and the same in the Great Love.

For Henrietta was a philosophical and eloquent hen. Much respected - and indeed loved - by her feathery peers.

Now, the hens had barely settled again when - what should they see? - a shadow slipping loose from the other shadows: mr Fox again by that terrible hole in the fence.

Henrietta went to meet him. This time, the fox listened to all she said. After all, he was now a fox whose hunger had been lessened by two fat hens.

He listened, cocked his head and said: 'Well now, that is all very well, little hen. But I am a Fox, and you are a little hen. I will not stop because I do not wish to. It is my nature - and I delight in it.'

And with those words, he snapped up poor Henrietta in his sharp jaws.

Oh! How the other chickens squawked! They wailed for their lost friends and for themselves! There was chaos!!!!

Now, as it happened, all the commotion had woken the farmer, who had crept downstairs and through the farmyard, and seen the greedy fox visit the henhouse again and again.

He raised his gun and, 'Bang,' the scourge of the chicken coop was gone.

Because, sometimes, this is what must happen.

It doesn't really cover all the dimensions but it's an example - and hopefully, if you read it, that might prompt some ideas for your daughter.

For example, one argument in favour of had death penalty id ghost it disincentivises others to copy - how could that be managed with a fable?

Another is that there is a natural justice - how could that be managed?

It's a really tough task to do cold.

How many examples of fables has your daughter read?

Has she set down the arguments for and against capital punishment?

That would be a good first step. She can then try and illustrate one or two through a satirical fable ...

Anyway, good luck.

thecatfromjapan · 23/02/2021 01:01

Normally I wouldn't help as much - but I think your thread's been derailed ...

CircleofWillis · 23/02/2021 02:00

thecatfromJapan that was fantastic! I hope you write for a living.

Thimbleberries · 23/02/2021 07:46

I wonder if you could use something like the poem Badger by John Tripp, about a badger that kills a pet rabbit, and then later gets killed himself. Lots of very shocking emotional descriptions of the first death so that you are angry with the badger, but then the totally unexpected ending where he is kills too kind of then turns it on its head and makes you think again.

www.robwilliamsassessment.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/13-English-Paper-1-ISEB-February-2006.pdf

Laeta · 23/02/2021 07:59

Wow all the fucking judgy twats on here!

"Helicopter parent" "no one helped me"

Whine whine whine.

So you were stuck at home with only your parents for company for 12 months were you?

Not able to bounce ideas of school mates? Stuck in front of a screen?

Teenagers are having a shit time. Most of us are having a shit time. Maybe because the question was above you, you thought you'd insult instead.

I hate mumsnet at the moment.

Wallywobbles · 23/02/2021 13:22

@thecatfromjapan that is brilliant. I will definitely show her. Thank you so much.

She will laugh about the helicopter parent thing though. I'm known for being the opposite - particularly in comparison to her peers.

But @VodkaSlimline my mum died when I was very small and my education really suffered as a result. A lot more education comes via parents then you might imagine. In comparison to my older siblings I had huge holes in my knowledge.

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WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 23/02/2021 13:26

Wow Vodka, covered yourself in glory there 🙄

TeenMinusTests · 23/02/2021 13:30

OP. Just to check. Are you sure she has to use satire and fable? Or has she been asked to write a speech and two of the techniques suggested amongst others have been satire and fable? (Amongst things such as power of 3, rhetorical questions, use of data, use of emotive language etc).

Wallywobbles · 23/02/2021 13:45

@TeenMinusTests as sure as I can be. I did ask because it seems like such a tall order. The second part, pro death penalty, is just a fable no satire required.

We are in France so requirements are a bit different i suppose. French is not her best subject and certainly not something I help with beyond ideas.

This is some kind of verbal battle, I think, that her class are doing.

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TeenMinusTests · 23/02/2021 13:50

Oh OK, not for English Lang GCSE then (DD did her spoken assessment on prison 'life should mean life')

Wallywobbles · 23/02/2021 13:53

That's a great topic. She is doing her gcse equivalents this year but this isn't part of it.

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MWNA · 23/02/2021 13:54

@VeniVidiWeeWee

How about letting DD2 do it?
What a wanky response.
thecatfromjapan · 23/02/2021 13:54

@TeenMinusTests

OP. Just to check. Are you sure she has to use satire and fable? Or has she been asked to write a speech and two of the techniques suggested amongst others have been satire and fable? (Amongst things such as power of 3, rhetorical questions, use of data, use of emotive language etc).
Wallywobbles · 23/02/2021 14:03

And I realize I made a mistake it's just fable for the anti death penalty bit (not pro).

@thecatfromjapan I was a precocious reader - a lasting legacy from my mum - but all the other stuff ones parents share was missing. History, reasoning, geography etc

I'm a teacher now - uni and mostly business and science. But I try to share as much wisdom as I can. Some of it even from MN!

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