Framing Britney- anyone watching?

[AngeloMysterioso]

It’s on sky documentaries at 9.

Britney agreed to the conservatorship after she was first admitted to hospital many years ago, but requested that her father not be the conservator. Nowadays, she is described as a “high functioning conservatee” - the lawyer featured in the documentary (who specialises in conservatorship) stated he had never heard this term before in his working career as it goes against the very nature of the legal definition of a conservatee. Obviously, nobody has seen her medical records or what they contain but if she is stated as being high functioning in court documents, and has stated for many years that she wants the conservatorship to end or at least not be in the hands of her father, why is her voice not being listened to?

Bluntness I have not objected to the court acting nor have I declared the judge wrong. Stop creating a narrative from me and then rallying yourself against it. Courts and judges do make mistakes and decisions do benefit from examination and re-examination.

She is not contesting the need for the conservatoire. Just her fathers involvement in the estate. That’s not under dispute. No one knows why the judge is keeping him involved. The documents are sealed. The only thing that can be taken is the judge thinks it’s in her best interests, despite how she feels about him

And it’s not one judge, it’s many, this is reviewed regularly

And rhe lawyer who was removed and not given access to her records was correctly removed, he was employed by her father. The court removed him and appointed an independent lawyer. One who did not take part.

It sounds like a deputyship that we have in the UK, which you can be granted by the Court of Protection in order to make decisions about someone's finances / estate and / or health and well being if they do not have capacity. It is recommended that if someone has deputyship in place for finances and health then the deputies for each aspect should be different people, but this is not always possible and can create conflict in best interest decisions.

The court must have very, very strong evidence that this is what is needed to keep Britney safe from harm.

I've got the last 20 mins still to watch but why didn't her mum apply for conservatorship 🤷🏼‍♀️ she seemed to be the parent who was involved in her life. Unless her mum was deemed to be one of the risk factors?

What I have watched has been difficult viewing, specifically the way she was interviewed on TV by both women and men. Being asked if she was a Virgin 🤯 wtaf?!!

The paparazzi! How could anyone live a life like that and not have a mental health crisis. The way she was vilified in the media for her parenting 😢

She clearly isn’t happy
She also isn’t the only person who has ever been exploited in that industry, or around people after the money
Her sister was on Zoey 101 and was impregnated by someone on the show at 15
What is worse, to be exploited or to live your life caged, watching everyone around you watch a real life from your cage -as you get sadder, older and lonelier dreaming of a life you can never attain.
She needed counselling, love and support. What a shame she never got it.

I say give her her freedom(with carets if she needs) and let her have some fun!

Judges may be reviewing regularly and yet nothing has changed for Britney in all this time,we know the facts of the case and the sealed nature of information from the documentary. I personally am pleased that the documentary was made and shown.

@Bluntness100

She is not contesting the need for the conservatoire. Just her fathers involvement in the estate. That’s not under dispute. No one knows why the judge is keeping him involved. The documents are sealed. The only thing that can be taken is the judge thinks it’s in her best interests, despite how she feels about him

And it’s not one judge, it’s many, this is reviewed regularly

And rhe lawyer who was removed and not given access to her records was correctly removed, he was employed by her father. The court removed him and appointed an independent lawyer. One who did not take part.

Amazes me how people swallow this stuff. No critical thinking applied at all.

She has contested the conservatorship for many years, which was briefly touched upon in a separate documentary about the family. Her brother has stated that she has “always wanted to get out of it”. He also stated that the conservatorship was a great thing for his family, but didn’t specify it was great for Britney.

The lawyer who was removed by the court was hired by Britney, the judge said she did not have capacity to retain him - he believes she did and therefore represented her, as at that point she recognised the need for the conservatorship but requested her father be removed as conservator.

I had never read up on any of this before watching the documentary last night, but it angers me that an adult woman described as “high functioning” in court is still not able to have any control over her own life (or even who gets to control it for her).

@qalb

She has contested the conservatorship for many years, which was briefly touched upon in a separate documentary about the family. Her brother has stated that she has “always wanted to get out of it”. He also stated that the conservatorship was a great thing for his family, but didn’t specify it was great for Britney.

The lawyer who was removed by the court was hired by Britney, the judge said she did not have capacity to retain him - he believes she did and therefore represented her, as at that point she recognised the need for the conservatorship but requested her father be removed as conservator.

I had never read up on any of this before watching the documentary last night, but it angers me that an adult woman described as “high functioning” in court is still not able to have any control over her own life (or even who gets to control it for her).

Exactly. It is so outrageous. V similar to the control freakery on display with Princess Latina, any reasonable person can see how wrong it is. No number of words or court -appointed anythings, especially when the bulk of them are conservative white men bankrolled by the subject, will persuade me otherwise

*Latifa

But why would a judge grant her father again...what evidence is there

@Overseasmom100

But why would a judge grant her father again...what evidence is there

Plain old fashioned, institutional misogyny. Systems are designed to support white men, they do not work for women, children or people of colour.

I think as others have said Britney has wanted out for a while. It might have been necessary during her nervous breakdown, but she has been stable for many years. It seems like chicken and egg- the restrictions she ensures can’t be good for her mental health. I am sure she could live independently with helpers if needed. The point is, she can’t make that choice because someone she doesn’t like is controlling her life.

She’s not wanted out, she’s not contesting the need for it at all. However even if she was, it doesn’t mean it would be the right decision for her.

If anyone has ever dealt with, for example, someone with dementia or any other significant mental health problem . It is not uncommon for the, to be unable to make decisions in their best interests.

Peoole are writing like “Britney wants it so Britney should get it” . Anyone who has dealt with someone with significant mental health issues would know that is not the basis for making the decision.

My husbands grandmother had dementia. She wished to sit in the bath fully clothed for hours on end and eat biscuits, clearly this was not something that was in her best interests so she wasn’t permitted,

A young colleague I worked with years ago with had significant mental health issues, she thought she was a bird, she wished to harm herself significantly and she wished not be hospitalised,. Again this was not in her best interests to permit it. So she was hospitalised.

Just because someone wants something doesn’t mean they should get it, even if it could case them significant harm. No one knows what’s wrong with Britney, although it’s clear there is something wrong. Assuming becayse she wants it, she should get it, is naive at best, dangerous for her at worst.

The documentary definitely raises more questions than answers but that is all it can do given the public only has access to ten percent of the facts. We don't know the source, validity or current relevance of the 'evidence' we place a level of trust in the legal system to act correctly on the facts and evidence they have. But as we know often the tough decisions to make a change or act differently gets kicked down the road by people who don't want to stand up and act and put their name to it.People will defend their jobs/names reinforce the perceived status quo because it serves their purpose and largely those of the client.

The point is and which is why the Britney case concerns us is that her wishes her basic human rights are being over-ridden despite the high functioning nature of her ability. Britney needs more support to achieve her wishes by everyone involved her father,family,judges and not least because she is the one paying all their bills.

Bluntness100

She’s not wanted out, she’s not contesting the need for it at all. However even if she was, it doesn’t mean it would be the right decision for her.

You don't know that. You don't know what she wants, you are making a lot of assumptions based on your very small world view.

You don't know that. You don't know what she wants
Exactly, only an insane or extremely naive person would come out in these circumstances and say 'I dont need a conservatorship and I am being controlled, 'framed' and exploited' - they would say well obviously she is delusional. A classic psychotic episode = court prescribed antipsychotics = not functioning or appearing 'normal' = finally adjusting to this new normal = repeat cycle and yet more stronger medication.

Regardless of whether you are genuinely ill or not. If you get sectioned or worse the only way out is to play along and unpick the mess string by string.

It was very sad to watch. The woman must have some resilience to have remained alive!

@picknmix1984

It was very sad to watch. The woman must have some resilience to have remained alive!

I found it very sad and also outrageous. Britney is such a talent and such a spirit. I cannot imagine coping with one day in her life. It looks as though her mother has been closely controlled too which would be par for the course in that sort of family set up. I hope they push through the very big barriers. Well done to the New York Times for such a great doco

Does anyone know whether she can be sued while under a conservatorship? @Bluntness100?

Red flags,

1. There is a restraining order against her father for her children
2. To spend any of her own money, she needs permission
3. She was put on restrictions by her handlers for seeing a friend
4. Despite being classified having a mental incapacitation the same as dementia, she could be a judge on x-factor, run one of the most successful Vegas residencies
5. Her net worth is $60M. Where has the money gone?

I could go on. Britney herself is happy to continue the conservatorship, but not under her father. Conservatorships are super dodgy in America, suggest to google the issues.

I just hope the structures can be put in place for treatment/medication plans to help her live her best life.

Also her conservatorship lawyers said she is a lucrative hybrid business model (or something along them lines)

Purely exploiting her for financial gain