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Help, I am rubbish at getting my point across!

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Koalacuddle · 10/02/2021 14:31

DH and I had a bit of a discussion at the weekend and I can't stop thinking about how I just could not even get him to see my point of view, not even a little bit.

The discussion was over me feeling like I have given up a lot by having the DC. He takes that to mean I think he hasn't had to give up anything and then it turns into a competition.

He thinks I have it easy and cannot see that I have given up something in every area of my life.

The main issue is work. He is the MN cliche of having a big job. It is stressful for him and I am sympathetic. He did this job pre DC and I can count on one finger the number of days he has had to take off work to look after the DC.

I work too and did the usual going PT after having them which in hindsight was a huge mistake.

Because he earns the lion share of the money I feel he is in control of everything else. We moved house last year and looking back, I don't think my feelings or opinion counted for much. The location was based on what is best for him to get to work (when he goes back) rather than for me to get the DC to school and then on to work.

As soon as we moved in he had huge buyers remorse and was basically in tears over having a bigger mortgage and him now having to work for the next 10 years to pay for it.... but then he does nothing to help me progress my career. He can never do any drop off or collection, it is all down to me.
I was due to do a course and exam last year to help me to secure a promotion but with Covid and the lack of school etc I had to postpone because he refused to take time off for me to attend the virtual course and I just couldn't fit the study in around homeschooling and work. I am trying to study again now but it just isn't happening.

He is WFH and works all day and most of the evening. I do all the childcare and homeschool and then I have to work all evening and some of the weekend in my job. On the one hand, my job is more flexible but on the other I am knackered. He keeps working all evening too claiming that he has to but a big part of me thinks he does it because he cannot be seen to be having more down time than me. That or he worries he might have to do some housework.

Financially I am pretty screwed now. If I had stayed working FT and hadn't had two stretches of maternity leave I would probably be earning 3x what I do now. He does not have to think about DC if he takes a promotion or different role whereas I have to deal with logistics if I even want to do half an hours overtime.
He thinks that me not being able to work overtime is a positive for me, that he has to work all the hours because we all rely on him.
Well, yes, we do, because you refuse to have it any other way.

Financially I do have access to all of our shared money, we share it all. But that isn't the point, is it? If he walked out tomorrow me and DC would not be able to manage on my salary but he could go off and have a rather lovely life on his. He does not see that this leaves me in a precarious position - I HATE feeling like this. I always paid my own way and have been self sufficient for 25 years.

In normal times he is able to grab a quick beer after work etc without any worries whereas I am constantly dashing about getting DC and going to various clubs and cooking etc. Anything I want to do has to be planned within an inch of its life and he still ends up having the final control if it means him getting in from work on time (or even now, taking over with the DC at a reasonable time).

I know now that I shouldn't have let things get this far but DH has never really been vocal about how much he appears to resent being the breadwinner - I have definitely complained to him about my lot Grin - but this is the first time he has ever really thrown it back at me. He was really quite horrible about it.

How do I explain the above to him? He completely belittled me at the weekend and everything came back to poor him "having" to work 70 hours a week to keep me in a life of luxury (this is not the case, I am not a big spender).

OP posts:
ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 16:53

Op i think you are making your point just fine. Maybe now look at some actions.

Make changes. How old are your children? If i were you i would start looking for full time daytime work and appropriate childcare. If yr children are sch age you will just need wrap around care. If not day care. Also,if you opted for a childminder they often offer babysitting service out of hrs/ allowing you to do a course. Some of the kids weekday clubs may to be sacrificed. That is ok, you have to have a life that co exists with your children not a life solely for yr children. There will be weekend clubs for your children to join.

Don't explain anything anymore , he is not listening. Return to full time work and see also if you can use yr experience to secure a sch term time role.

He will either step up or he wont but you would have put yourself in a much stronger position and start having a life outside of the home. Your children will be fine, they have a brilliant mum who will also be setting them a fantastic example.

When you have secured yourself financially you can re evaluate where you want to be in terms of this marriage. He does not listen to you because he doesn't think he needs to and he thinks you have no financial choice but to accept it. Actions speak louder than words.

I would stay silent for now OP and calmly and quietly go about getting a new full time day job, childcare and then pursue any additional courses you want.

Have your own money and your own freedoms and i bet he will hear you then!

Tickledtrout · 10/02/2021 17:00

I agree. He understands what you're saying. He just doesn't like it.
As soon as you can with all this covid stuff, get a cleaner and sort childcare. Babysitter or nanny. Increase your hours at work. It's not a priority for him but it is for you. Show that it is.

Overdoor · 10/02/2021 17:04

Oh, OP, he really has done a number on you, hasn't he? Your point is perfectly clear, but it's far easier for him if he makes you think you're a confused little woman who just can't get the right words out in the right order. I agree with pps that action is needed. Get a FT job as soon as is humanly possible, and once you have put yourself on an even keel financially, decide if you want to stay married.

And finding appropriate childcare for your longer ours is a joint responsibility, just as paying for it is.

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katmarie · 10/02/2021 17:04

I don't think your problem is communicating, you come across fine in your post. your problem is that he doesn't want to hear it. And there is not much you can do to force someone to listen to you.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 17:29

He is telling you he will continue as he is as you and the children are financially dependant on him and will suck it up!

He will work and have beers and live his best life, building his career and securing his future, as he sees fit. Meanwhile you cannot study or improve yourself as you and the children rely financially on him and so what he says goes.

All smoke and velvet curtains. When you pull back the velvet curtain and see thru the smoke, you tip the balance of power...

Pull the velvet curtain OP.

Koalacuddle · 10/02/2021 18:04

I do feel as if the scales have fallen from my eyes.
Previously he would always go on about how I am the one with the important job looking after the DC and so on... it was all just words. It is all about control, isn't it?

Even tonight, he knows I have something urgent on for work but can he extricate himself to help with the DC? No, not until 7.30pm.
So enough time for me to cook, clean up, bath and get the DC to bed.
DC are 4&6 (reception and yr1)

I had planned on timing a promotion for my youngest starting reception but, like many things, Covid. Now it will most likely be this September if I can pass this exam in May and there are the usual rounds of promotions in September - all bets are off this year. In normal times their school has decent wraparound care - I have always felt guilty for leaving them in after school club too long but if DH doesn't then why should I? I also get moaned at regarding the cost of after school club (it is £13 for two hours and includes tea) as once that is taken off what I will earn in addition and the fact that DC get home tired and grumpy at 6pm DH deems it not worth it. But actually after school club is just doing what he should be - he should have to leave work at 3pm if he doesn't want them there so late - why always me?

I think action is indeed required, he does not listen to my words.

OP posts:
ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 18:32

@Koalacuddle "- I have always felt guilty for leaving them in after school club too long but if DH doesn't then why should I? I also get moaned at regarding the cost of after school club (it is £13 for two hours and includes tea) as once that is taken off what I will earn in addition and the fact that DC get home tired and grumpy at 6pm DH deems it not worth it. But actually after school club is just doing what he should be - he should have to leave work at 3pm if he doesn't want them there so late - why always me?"

Because you are their mum and these are the children you planned. This is not a competition. You have children that need to be cared for. Little people who need to be raised and born into this mess. Who does what and when is irrelevant. There are children here who need to be cared for and nurtured.

If you could start to view yr children as little people you have brought into this world and less of a bargaining tool/ apparatus for argument/ inconvenience will be a start.

katmarie · 10/02/2021 18:43

I think that is pretty unfair, the op has made her whole life revolve around these children that she and her husband both equally made together. But parenting is sometimes a burden, sometimes a joy, and it sounds like her dh is not carrying his share of the burden. Just how much of the ops life and future must she give up while her husband reaps all the benefits of having a family with minimal hard work?

moomalade89 · 10/02/2021 18:44

@ElizabethofpeanutYorkies did you miss the part where she has been doing exactly this for 6 years

minipie · 10/02/2021 18:53

I’m in a similar position OP and like you I have just about lost patience with working around DH’s career. Particularly since I have asked him many times to move to a less demanding job so he is around more and I have more options careerwise - and he has said he will but again and again done nothing about it.

In this scenario tonight, he knows I have something urgent on for work but can he extricate himself to help with the DC? No, not until 7.30pm I would be pushing the DC into the room he works in at 5pm and telling them that Daddy is looking after them for the next two hours. Then find yourself a room with a lock and do your work.

GoodQueenAlysanne · 10/02/2021 19:03

"How do I explain the above to him?"

Bill him? Bill him for anything and everything he would have to pay someone to do, if you did a runner tomorrow.

How much does a nanny cost per hour in your area? Say he got lucky, and found a live in nanny for minimum wage, x70 hours a week, willing to do home learning, that alone would cost him £623 per week atm, with the schools closed. A cleaner? A dry cleaning service that picks up and drops off, constant takeaways, buying presents and planning special occassions, any wife work you do, that he takes for granted, stick it down.

Then use it as a guide, to figure out what you can afford to outsource, if you increase your hours. Start saving money, build some security, if you can get to a point where you think "yes, we could actually manage without him", I think that would really help, even if it does take a long time.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 19:07

@moomalade89 yes,i saw that. The OP's DH is not stepping up. Op has said why always me? It is unfair but someone has to step up. There are children here. Op needs to work. Spending the last 6 yrs looking after her own children does not negate the fact the OP needs to work to facilitate her own freedoms. Children need to be cared for. Op has done lions share and probably will continue to do so. Op has to carve a life for herself while being main carer for Dc's. Op's DH does not appear willing.

The children need to be cared for , someone has to take responsibility. " its always me" suggests someone else should take responsibility. In this case the children's father but he is not. Someone has to take responsibility for those children while also working. What OP has done in past does not help her now moving forward. OP has children and needs to work.

Arguing what is fair and unfair with regards to her DH is not constructive. Op needs to work and has children. Her DH is not supportive. Op needs to juggle all this. Is it fair? No. Is it the kids fault? No. My point was stop using the kids as a stick to beat each other.

moomalade89 · 10/02/2021 19:10

@ElizabethofpeanutYorkies I don't think she was proposing leaving them at after school club for ever

GoodQueenAlysanne · 10/02/2021 19:11

"If you could start to view yr children as little people you have brought into this world and less of a bargaining tool/ apparatus for argument/ inconvenience will be a start".

^That aimed at the op's DH, right..? Hmm

GoodQueenAlysanne · 10/02/2021 19:11

*that was

Stompythedinosaur · 10/02/2021 19:13

Sounds like you have a dh problem, not an explaining things problem.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 19:13

When i say op needs to work i mean full time and thereby offering herself a financial freedom. I am aware OP works PT but this is clearly not allowing her the freedoms she desires.

minipie · 10/02/2021 19:16

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies I believe the OP has not yet given up on getting her DH to do his fair share of childcare. She’s not using the kids as a stick to beat him with. She’s asking him to step up.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 19:17

"@moomalade89 @ElizabethofpeanutYorkies I don't think she was proposing leaving them at after school club for ever"

What?? I never said or
suggested that.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 19:19

@minipie and he hasn't.

In OP's own words:
"I think action is indeed required, he does not listen to my words."

minipie · 10/02/2021 19:20

I know, but she hasn’t tried more drastic action like I’m suggesting (physically hand the DC over to him rather than sitting and waiting for him to be free).

moomalade89 · 10/02/2021 19:21

@ElizabethofpeanutYorkies I feel you are reading the OP very literally. To the point of being a little obtuse. Of course she views her children as important little people, that's why she's been looking after them so devotedly. Her question now is about how to get her partner to take his fair share so she can rebalance their lives.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 19:25

"@minipie I know, but she hasn’t tried more drastic action like I’m suggesting (physically hand the DC over to him rather than sitting and waiting for him to be free)."

I suggest OP gains financial independence and pursues her education as she has indicated. Her DH is never free, she already tried that!

tatutata · 10/02/2021 19:27

He's a wanker and sews you as his minion, because you let him. Do marriage counselling or just divorce him for fucking unreasonable behaviour.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 10/02/2021 19:27

"@moomalade89 Her question now is about how to get her partner to take his fair share so she can rebalance their lives"

What do you suggest then?