Handforth Parish Council meeting 😂 had to share

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Thought I’d share in case anyone else fancies a laugh! A chaotic zoom parish council meeting - short version on this Twitter version and longer clips in the YouTube link! Apologies if only me finds this funny twitter.com/janinemas0n/status/1357371421442396162?s=21

And the longer version

This made me giggle. Jackie is badass and I love it when bullies are put in their place. Good on her for not having any tolerance.

I think Jackie needs to be a permanent feature at Handforth. Especially now, the feathers will be ruffled like never before 🤣

How is pushing that drunken idiot off the train dangerous? He was the one standing in the doors as they were about to close, he was asking for it!

@itchyfinger

How is pushing that drunken idiot off the train dangerous? He was the one standing in the doors as they were about to close, he was asking for it!

And if it had been your husband or your teenage son, and he’d fallen as a result suffering a brain injury, would you still say he’d been “asking for it” then?

Jesus wept.

And if it had been your husband or your teenage son, and he’d fallen as a result suffering a brain injury, would you still say he’d been “asking for it” then?

Absolutely @MiaMc

What an appalling comment @itchyfinger

The man was an idiot, and being annoying. But who thinks it's in any way acceptable to shove him out the door of a train that's just about to depart. He could have been killed.

That's the real thuggish behaviour.

So very English

I found it funny but also was disgusted at the level of aggression sadly not surprised

But having to sit in many meetings men often take over will take up a women’s idea and run with it or play down the importance. And I’m taking about much younger men who would consider themselves feminists

@Colate

As I understand it, Ms. Weaver is not a member of Handsworth Parish Council. She was sent along by the Cheshire Association of Local Councils because of past difficulties with the parish council meetings and would appear to be acting as the council clerk. I don't know what authority she has in law, but she is certainly not an elected representative of the people of the parish of Handforth. My first reaction is that Mr, Tolver who apparently is the elected chair, is correct and she has no legal status to remove him. She could certainly not do it physically without the police if this was in the council chamber. To eject a cllr from a meeting would normally need a vote from the cllrs., not an arbitrary decision from the clerk.

Well apparently it was a meeting that he refused to recognise the legality of so if the meeting didn’t exist, the chair wasn’t ejected from it.

I love the spoof film trailer brilliant 😂

I take the point that pushing him off the train could have been dangerous - although the angle isn't completely clear and it looked more like a well-timed shove to me rather than any kind of violent assault.

I'm not saying that his girlfriend bore any responsibility for his actions, but she was happy to stand there apparently oblivious to his boorish behaviour towards others and only show concern and take offence once they'd reacted.

It's not something I'd ever have thought of doing (or in fact done) myself - I'm too British and would just have tutted under my breath; but I also think it's easy to minimise the effects of drunken, rowdy behaviour on crowded public transport. It's the kind of behaviour that might only stop at being annoying (and potentially being vomited over), but can easily get threatening and frightening very quickly. he chose to get tanked up before going on there, so I don't hold him blameless at all.

For all we know, he might have been harassing people for some time. He could have fallen/lunged into any number of laps beforehand. It obviously wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision to react, as somebody had their phone there ready in position to film it.

But he didn't fall and hit his head did he?! That's why it's funny! He got a shove off the train after being a drunken idiot and ended up having to get the next train. Classic MN pearl clutching!

Also @earringsandlipstick tubes cant depart when the doors are open, he wasnt pushed off a train that was in any danger of moving.

@itchyfinger

But he didn't fall and hit his head did he?! That's why it's funny! He got a shove off the train after being a drunken idiot and ended up having to get the next train. Classic MN pearl clutching!

You've a really strange definition of pear-clutching.

The person shoving him had no idea of what injuries might occur, he couldn't see into the future.

I'm glad the man wasn't injured; he absolutely could have been.

Regardless, it was nasty & aggressive. It's not up to random commuters to police annoying Tube passengers.

@itchyfinger

Also *@earringsandlipstick* tubes cant depart when the doors are open, he wasnt pushed off a train that was in any danger of moving.

I'll take your word for it, but he was pushed off just as the train went to move.

If he had tripped, or part of his clothing got caught, I can't imagine injury wouldn't have occurred.

You've a pretty low bar for what constitutes acceptable behaviour, it seems.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

I take the point that pushing him off the train could have been dangerous - although the angle isn't completely clear and it looked more like a well-timed shove to me rather than any kind of violent assault.

I'm not saying that his girlfriend bore any responsibility for his actions, but she was happy to stand there apparently oblivious to his boorish behaviour towards others and only show concern and take offence once they'd reacted.

It's not something I'd ever have thought of doing (or in fact done) myself - I'm too British and would just have tutted under my breath; but I also think it's easy to minimise the effects of drunken, rowdy behaviour on crowded public transport. It's the kind of behaviour that might only stop at being annoying (and potentially being vomited over), but can easily get threatening and frightening very quickly. he chose to get tanked up before going on there, so I don't hold him blameless at all.

For all we know, he might have been harassing people for some time. He could have fallen/lunged into any number of laps beforehand. It obviously wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision to react, as somebody had their phone there ready in position to film it.

How is a "well timed shove" not a violent assault?

I'm not saying that his girlfriend bore any responsibility for his actions, but she was happy to stand there apparently oblivious to his boorish behaviour towards others and only show concern and take offence once they'd reacted.

Was she happy? And oblivious? Did she say that? Or was she ignoring him to avoid him getting even more obnoxious? What do you think she should have done?

How is a "well timed shove" not a violent assault?

We'll probably have to agree to disagree here. I suppose it could technically be an assault, but violent? Even if it was physically violent, it was only in response to his 'social' violence.

A lot of people have the idea of a loveable, harmless old drunk, but they can be truly scary and dangerous. Even in the short clip we saw, he was lurching unpredictably, lunging and getting in people's faces - bad enough already, without the added projectile vomit risk when somebody has decided to get steaming drunk - and he's quite a big, tall man to start with.

For everybody's protection, he needed to be either ejected or otherwise restrained - neither of which would have been possible without physically overpowering him. The two men who gave him the shove were quite confident about it, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there weren't women, older or disabled people - maybe even children - in the cramped compartment who weren't quite as at ease with his boorish, close-up physicality and how it could affect them if he crashed down or puked on them.

Was she happy? And oblivious? Did she say that? Or was she ignoring him to avoid him getting even more obnoxious? What do you think she should have done?

I'm sure she wasn't happy with his behaviour, but she was clearly acting in a way to make it look like she was a fellow annoyed passenger and not with him. She was content to let him inflict himself on the others without saying anything to him (even just a "Come on, Phil - people don't want to hear all that"), but when he reaped a consequence of his actions, she then leapt to his defence and shouted at the men who pushed him out.

I think she should either have tried to settle him/apologise on his behalf for his behaviour OR (my preference) accept that he's a grown man, making his own decisions and dealing on his own with the consequences. Put simply, she wanted to rescue her boyfriend, but didn't seem to care before about the others being rescued from his threatening behaviour.

In a way, she reminds me of the woman some years ago in the USA, who successfully sued a store because they didn't prevent her from being harassed by a small child who was constantly getting in her way and disrupting her, stopping her from being able to do her shopping properly - HER OWN CHILD.

Wow!

So women are responsible for their partner’s behaviour and have to explicitly state how they feel about their partners behaviour so that others know how they feel about it.

You can’t make this shit up.

You can’t make this shit up.

Sorry, but you just did - that isn't what I said at all.

She was decidedly looking away from him - IMHO deliberately trying to look like she had nothing to do with him - and then only complained when he was pushed off.

Do you normally travel with a spouse/partner/friend/companion and make a point of ignoring them and acting like they're strangers? As I said, she ISN'T responsible for him - and yet she suddenly acted as though she was taking active responsibility for him once his victims took action.

You haven’t even a clue what youre saying, let alone what anyone else is saying or doing.

It's just a very short video clip on the internet, which none of us who weren't there can know anything about for a fact. Even if we had been, we couldn't have known what was happening inside anybody else's head.

It's presented as humorous and I assume (can't know for a fact) that it wouldn't have been posted or would have since been taken down had anybody been seriously hurt as a result of what happened.

I'm going to leave my thoughts on it there - I found it rather amusing (clearly others didn't - which is fine), but it really isn't important enough to me personally to bother debating the rights and wrongs of it any more.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Even if we had been, we couldn't have known what was happening inside anybody else's head.

Well, whatever about, 'inside anybody else's head' your posts are replete with your speculation about women, the elderly & disabled people who were affected by this man, and a massive interpretation of the actions of the woman who was apparently with him. You've created an entire narrative around this, based on nothing that's in the video!

What we do see is a man being pushed off a train as it's about to depart by 2 people who had no authority to do so. Their actions were wrong.

Even if an authorised person was ejecting him, they wouldn't shove him off the train in that fashion!

Your excuses are pretty awful to read, tbh