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Welsh people who don't have a welsh accent?

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faced · 17/01/2021 14:16

So I'm dating someone who is from Cardiff. He doesn't have a welsh accent? Maybe a few words, but he says that people from Cardiff don't sound Welsh. Especially if their parents are professionals etc

Is he having a laugh? What about Gavin & Stacey? Isn't that set near Cardiff?

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thevassal · 17/01/2021 16:39

@tinselearedcow

To me the Caaaaaaaaaaardiff accent is very distinct and totally recognisable as a Welsh accent.
"I'll have a pint of daaaark in caaardiff aaaahms paaahk" as my old uni lecturer used to say Grin Your bf is wrong to say most people in Cardiff don't have Welsh accents - people who have been born and bred in Cardiff (particularly if their parents weren't necessarily professionals, as your bf said) often have the cardiff accent which sounds quite different from the traditional south wales valleys accent on gavin and stacey.

Perhaps your bf is just a bit limited with whom he socialises with - unlike most other welsh counties, Cardiff has a few private schools, so again if he's making the class/education difference that could be why people he knows might not have stronger 'welsh' accents, but again, def doesn't apply to everyone in Cardiff!

If you watch Rob Brydon on any of his comedy shows, his accent is still clearly welsh but far less exaggerated than when he is playing uncle Bryn.

OP would you get confused about people living in Knightsbridge or Chelsea who didn't sound like the cast of Eastenders? Or would you understand that there are multiple different 'London' and indeed 'English' accents?

Does your bf sound like Gareth Bale, for example? Brought up in Cardiff but doesn't have a strong Welsh accent, but try saying he's not Welsh!

thevassal · 17/01/2021 16:41

cross posted with @FTEngineerM re: Caahdiff aahms paahk!

movingonup20 · 17/01/2021 16:57

My good friend is Welsh, Welsh is their first language in theory (went to welsh language school even) but lived in England since 18, doesn't sound welsh at all unless his mum calls and then he speaks welsh

MadKittenWoman · 17/01/2021 17:30

The Welsh accent and Welsh-speaking areas are mainly in the North. I live in South West England now and visit South Wales, but when I lived in North West England I would visit North Wales; if they heard you were English there, even if they were speaking English themselves, they would change to Welsh. I loved it!

marialuisa · 17/01/2021 17:41

I was born in Cardiff and sound RP except there are certain phrases and words that I use that make it obvious where I’m originally from. Amuses DH enormously.

omg35 · 17/01/2021 17:46

I'd come on to say what @Aelfrid did but she said it better

Ghostella · 17/01/2021 17:55

I’m from Cardiff, live in England now and get asked all the time where I’m from. No one ever thinks I’m Welsh, apparently I sound “posh”. I sound the same as everyone I grew up with and come from a nice little suburb in the north of Cardiff.

Homemadearmy · 17/01/2021 18:04

You do realise that Wales is a country op? Just like England we don't all sound the same, not everyone in England speaks like High Grant.
I've lived in Wales all my life, but actually didn't develop the accent until I was a adult as my parents are Scottish. Growing up I'd often get asked where I was from, now it's unmistakable. I'm not quite sure when my Welsh accent developed.

willstarttomorrow · 17/01/2021 18:04

I live in Yorkshire, I am not from yorkshire but been here over half my life. I still have a 'down south' accent. DH had a Scottish accent from the part of Scotland he was from, despite leaving in his late teens and living all over. DD is very much , accent wise, from the city in Yorkshire she was born and grew up in. 30 miles to the south of us, totally different accent and the same for the city next door - the border about 5 miles from my house. This is how accents work. But to be fair I have known a few peole in life who went to boarding school so have the RP accent despite being from north Yorkshire, Scotland etc and have a colleague who is born and bred Bradford from a Bangladeshi family who speaks like the famous five!

MrsDThomas · 17/01/2021 18:07

@MadKittenWoman oh that old chestnut. You’re talking bull shit. They don’t speak welsh once they hear an English person.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 17/01/2021 18:08

So your using one to programme to represent the whole of the Welsh population Confused

ageingdisgracefully · 17/01/2021 18:11

The Kairdiff accent is very distinctive and hard to mimic. As previously said, Frank Hennessy has it. It has a wide nasal "a" sound.

I know loads of Cardiffians. Some have no accent at all. It's a diverse city so many accents mingling together. I love John Humphreys' accent though and to me it sounds very Welsh.

TonMoulin · 17/01/2021 18:11

I’m wondering what the OP would make of a child of english parents brought up in Wales. One that actually speaks with a welsh accent.

Does it make them Welsh too despite the parents being english 😂😂

EggBobbin · 17/01/2021 18:11

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HNY2021 · 17/01/2021 18:12

Hmmm it’s almost like people have different accents in different places even though it’s the same country 🤔

museumum · 17/01/2021 18:18

Ruth Jones doesn’t actually sound like Nessa you know? (And she’s not from Cardiff anyway).
Ask him to say queue - all the southern Welsh people I’ve known say coo. The north Welsh I’ve known don’t have a particularly welsh accent.

SirVixofVixHall · 17/01/2021 18:18

Cardiff has a very specific accent, before the upwards infection became a thing Cardiff was one of the accents that had this naturally. As with any city though, accents there vary according to where parents grew up and also class.
Just as in England, accents all over Wales vary by region, sometimes by fairly small regions. Someone from Newcastle or Bristol has as English an accent as an Eton educated home counties man, but all those accents are very different from each other.
My Welsh accent is not very strong at all, extremely annoying as people assume I am English Grin .
I lived in various parts of West and South Wales growing up, and had one Gog parent and one SW parent, so I have aspects of all those things.

Ymlaen · 17/01/2021 18:19

@TonMoulin if that child felt Welsh then he or she would be Welsh. (of course!) It has nothing to do with where you or your parents are born.

SirVixofVixHall · 17/01/2021 18:19

I have never heard a South Wales person say coo for Queue !?

Eloradannin · 17/01/2021 18:23

I've got a valleys accent. My children who were born and brought up 10 miles outside my hometown have a different accent than me.
Accents can change from town to town

TommyShelby · 17/01/2021 18:31

@SirVixofVixHall neither have I! It’s more like kiw to me! No coo’s at all 😂

Northernsoullover · 17/01/2021 18:36

@Ghostella

I’m from Cardiff, live in England now and get asked all the time where I’m from. No one ever thinks I’m Welsh, apparently I sound “posh”. I sound the same as everyone I grew up with and come from a nice little suburb in the north of Cardiff.
Wondering if you are from Lisvane, Thornhill or Rhiwbina
MozzchopsThirty · 17/01/2021 18:46

My other half is Cardiff, very Cardiff, it was the one thing that put me off him when we first met 😂
But now I love it

crimsonlake · 17/01/2021 18:46

I am from North Wales, family still there. Despite moving away 40 years ago as soon as I start to speak people ask me which part of Wales I am from.

FTEngineerM · 17/01/2021 18:53

@SirVixofVixHall @TommyShelby or me, it’s ‘Q’ or as you put it ‘kiw’

What’s a coo?