Ex's dad wants DD to go to his for christmas. Is this allowed in tier 4?

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My ex (DDS dad) does not celebrate Xmas for his religious reasons. His dad however does. He wants DD (and i) to go to his for xmas and this was the original plan. Since the new restrictions have come in, I'm not sure if me and DD are allowed to travel on the tube on Xmas eve just to spend 1 day with him. He thinks it's ok, but I no longer want to go. Not sure what to do.

Sorry what does his dad have to do with the problem?

No it is not allowed in tier 4.

This is about my ex's dad, so he's not really family but family to my ex.

Great thanks for letting me know it's not allowed. He's going to try and convince me otherwise and guilt trip me.

No, it's not allowed. It's not even allowed in tier 3.

Not allowed in tier 4, only support bubble, from what I understand.

In Tier 4, mixing of households is not allowed, even on Christmas Day. You or DD would only be allowed to go to his home for Christmas Day if you have formed a support bubble with him, which I'm presuming you haven't. You are totally tree to say no!

Didn't think overnight stays were allowed either. Your dd can see her dad but not go anywhere else

No it’s not slowed unless he’s your ex’s (or your) bubble. If he’s your ex’s bubble (not Christmas bubble as under T4 isn’t not a thing anymore) then your dd would be allowed to see her dad along with his household. Assuming your dd is under 18.

Well if his dad (not sure why you say he isn't family - he's dd's grandfather) is on his own he could bubble with your ex. Then if your dd sees your ex tomorrow - which is allowable, her grandfather could also see her.

Obvs if he isn't on his own that won't work though.

Your DD can go to her dad in tier 4 (if she's under 18). They can't go to grandpa unless one of the adults lives alone and they are in an established support bubble with each other.

It would be technically Ok if ex still lives with his father, because DD is a member of both your households and can freely travel from one to another. It would also be legal if ex were the support bubble for his father because again ex, DD and grandfather would be one household. In either case if you don’t want to go then you’ll need to discuss with your ex.

If DD’s grandfather lives separately from her DF and isn’t in a support bubble then it’s much easier because it’s simply illegal.

If she's under 18 she can go to her dad's. Children have always been allowed to switch between parental households.

You however couldn't go with her, nor could he and her go to see his dad unless there's an established support bubble there.

What a mess!

Assuming you are in London as you mentioned the tube? Based on the rules you shouldn't be going on public transport unless you have to eg to go to work if unable to work from home.

She could go on public transport to see her father though (if under 18)

Well her dad hasn't asked to see her on Xmas day, and hasn't even contacted me for a few weeks about seeing her either. My ex does not live with his dad but they are close by.

I feel sorry for ex dad, but he's had DD for the last 2 Christmases so I'm guessing it wont be so bad this Christmas.

Sorry I thought it was your ex p who wanted you to go at Christmas. As others have said no it's not really allowed.