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Food bank for Christmas

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Didicat · 24/11/2020 07:59

In usual primary school style they have told us late yesterday they are collecting for a food bank items to be in school THIS Friday.

My brain is already spent, Christmas holidays break needed already.... so I have a tenner to spend in Aldi....

What would you buy?

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WitchDancer · 24/11/2020 21:32

How do you know who attends food banks and why BirdsAndBeez? Have you ever volunteered at one? I have done so for about 5 years now, and I strongly believe you are wrong. There are many people that would fall through the gaps and would more than likely turn to a life of crime in order to feed themselves and their children. In an ideal world they wouldn't exist but this isn't a perfect world.

Well done Didicat, what you've bought sounds great

Timbucktime · 24/11/2020 21:37

Mine is currently asking for tinned pies, tinned potatoes, tinned vegetables, shampoo and nappies.

Their website will tell you what’s needed.

Birdsandbeez · 24/11/2020 21:40

@WitchDancer

How do you know who attends food banks and why BirdsAndBeez? Have you ever volunteered at one? I have done so for about 5 years now, and I strongly believe you are wrong. There are many people that would fall through the gaps and would more than likely turn to a life of crime in order to feed themselves and their children. In an ideal world they wouldn't exist but this isn't a perfect world.

Well done Didicat, what you've bought sounds great

I haven't volunteered and nor would I.

Like I say people donate do or man foodbanks with good intent but in reality they are causing more harm than good in the long run.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

FeminismIsForALLWomen · 24/11/2020 21:52

Again Bees your points don't really follow a logical path; yes the government uses food banks to avoid their responsibilities, but that doesn't mean that closing them is a viable way of solving that problem, and you haven't actually given a reason why you think it will work. You have massively oversimplified the situation and are advocating to let people starve.

It's not necessary to make things worse to create social pressure, but it is necessary for a lot of people to care.

Birdsandbeez · 24/11/2020 21:57

@FeminismIsForALLWomen

Again Bees your points don't really follow a logical path; yes the government uses food banks to avoid their responsibilities, but that doesn't mean that closing them is a viable way of solving that problem, and you haven't actually given a reason why you think it will work. You have massively oversimplified the situation and are advocating to let people starve.

It's not necessary to make things worse to create social pressure, but it is necessary for a lot of people to care.

No worries - carry on as we are then see what inequality is like in 20yrs.

Foodbanks don't reduce poverty, they help to increase it.

TheRubyRedshoes · 24/11/2020 21:59

M&S do really really nice cans of tikka massala, hot chicken curry, mild chicken curry, about 2.70 each with some rice... Delicious. I always add some fresh onions, red pepper etc.

I am really impressed at how tasty they are, nicer than ready meals... From waitrose or m and s.. Very nice flavours.

Perhaps if anyone is ever in m and s some of these cans should be something to add to the food bank?

BashfulClam · 24/11/2020 22:04

Soap, toothpaste , sanitary protection and bog rolls. These items are also needed and overlooked. I put all the toiletry sets my mum buys me into food bank collections, as I have told her over and over not to buy them as I’m allergic to several things and have a regime that works.

FeminismIsForALLWomen · 24/11/2020 22:05

No worries - carry on as we are then see what inequality is like in 20yrs.

Fortunately the only alternative to abolishing food banks is not to carry on as we are, you can get involved in activism and do something about it like most people who care about ending poverty and inequality. If enough people care enough to do that, we might get somewhere Smile

JamieLeeCurtains · 24/11/2020 22:24

My local food bank is tonight saying that a 'Xmas treat' donation might usefully be instant coffee and biscuits.

EwwSprouts · 25/11/2020 08:14

I'd suggest Robinson's triangles instead of cordial/squash as they are very small and light which is useful when carrying heavy bags home

Will be copying this, excellent idea.

Marcus Rashford is doing great things and you will see he is doing them in conjunction with FareShare & Trussell Trust. If you look at his age the hunger he recalls from his youth was under governments of both parties. I think the best quick fix would be banning zero hours contracts.

VenusClapTrap · 25/11/2020 10:52

Interesting that a lot of posters are suggesting toiletries. Our local food bank has asked people to stop donating them and stick to food, as they have a surplus due to low demand for them. I think it’s important to check with your local food bank what their needs are.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 11:09

@Birdsandbeez

Foodbanks just make the problem worse in the long run
We don't want to work in the long run. We want not to exist!

But our aim is, as ever, to plug a short term gap. That gap used to be coming off benefits and waiting for the first pay packet... or vice versa; waiting over a weekend, or BH weekend, for money to be accessible.

We don't kill people, we aim to give minimal assistance on one of times of need. That's what ALL foodbanks have ALWAYS aimed to be!

Now... you can pontificate that the very exopstamce of foodbanks means the government can rely on us to pick up the pieces.... but we didn't cause zero hours contracts, systemic reduction of hourly pay or the shambles that is UC.

Ban foodbanks, get everyone who has been staffing them or donating to protest instead of adding to the problem Which perfectly illustrates your ignorance of the ways ALL foodbanks work. We have numerous unpaid and paid people working with Trussell and others to do just this! Yes, that's a large number of people working to put themselves out of work!

The realoty is that your basic premise - take away the free support and force the governements hand - is all well and good in sound bite, on paper, on social media. But is fuck all good to anyone in a shelter with no food, no money and a couple of kids, all on the run form an abusive partner.

No worries - carry on as we are then see what inequality is like in 20yrs. If that's all you can actively offer... given your refusal to actually help!

Birdsandbeez · 25/11/2020 11:18

@FeminismIsForALLWomen

No worries - carry on as we are then see what inequality is like in 20yrs.

Fortunately the only alternative to abolishing food banks is not to carry on as we are, you can get involved in activism and do something about it like most people who care about ending poverty and inequality. If enough people care enough to do that, we might get somewhere Smile

I do that, I see my MP regularly.

If everyone who donated to a food bank emailed (or better still visited) their MP instead of giving a tin of baked beans we'd get further in changing the system.

I appreciate people give to foodbanks in good faith but it is misguided help.

When the 5th richest nation on the planet has a people unable to feed themselves something is clearly wrong but foodbanks aren't the answer despite their well intentioned agenda.

BlackeyedSusan · 25/11/2020 11:21

Aldi chicken curry is nice. Was about £1 a tin. Haven't been since March though.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 11:54

I appreciate people give to foodbanks in good faith but it is misguided help So how do we help real people in the short term?

When do we we close down in the full and complete expectation of your lobbying of MPs to have been successful?

Or do we close and keep our fingers crossed?

It's all very well you agitating for people to stop donating because you have a view on it, but what about the real people who will suffer if everyone does everythiong you suggest? How will you overcome that?

FeminismIsForALLWomen · 25/11/2020 12:00

The realoty is that your basic premise - take away the free support and force the governements hand - is all well and good in sound bite, on paper, on social media. But is fuck all good to anyone in a shelter with no food, no money and a couple of kids, all on the run form an abusive partner.

This is exactly right. It's the kind of opinion that I've only ever heard from people who are not experiencing poverty, because they likely won't have to suffer the consequences of their policies themselves. I struggle to understand anyone who thinks it's ok to allow people to starve to achieve their goal.

If everyone who donated to a food bank emailed (or better still visited) their MP instead of giving a tin of baked beans we'd get further in changing the system.

People can do both! For most of us it's possible to lobby for change AND try to stop people from starving.

When the 5th richest nation on the planet has a people unable to feed themselves something is clearly wrong but foodbanks aren't the answer despite their well intentioned agenda.

Again, it's correct that it's unacceptable that food banks have to exist in the UK, but it doesn't automatically follow that closing them and allowing people to starve is the answer. As Curious says, we're here to plug the gaps. The answer is not to take away the plug, but to make the government close the gaps.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 12:00

When the 5th richest nation on the planet has a people unable to feed themselves something is clearly wrong but foodbanks aren't the answer despite their well intentioned agenda. What do you think the agenda of foodbanks actually is?

The one I volunteer for is older than most, quite a bit older than Trussell for example. We grew out of an informal church arrangement to help seasonal workers when they first arrived or were ill, laid off etc. That grew to include anyone local who needed help between pay packets and benefits, or vice versa.

Even if governments did take up all responsibility we would still exist, for the same reasons we started!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 12:02

we're here to plug the gaps. The answer is not to take away the plug, but to make the government close the gaps.

THAT

I'm borrowing that for the next time someone starts with the Fodbanks kill people crap!

WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo · 25/11/2020 12:07

I always put the more expensive meats in because nobody else does. So I'd get some tinned ham or whatever........thats the stuff ours is really short of. I always put in some sachets of custard too.........very cheap but very comforting at this time of year and can be made with just a kettle.

Birdsandbeez · 25/11/2020 13:25

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I appreciate people give to foodbanks in good faith but it is misguided help So how do we help real people in the short term?

When do we we close down in the full and complete expectation of your lobbying of MPs to have been successful?

Or do we close and keep our fingers crossed?

It's all very well you agitating for people to stop donating because you have a view on it, but what about the real people who will suffer if everyone does everythiong you suggest? How will you overcome that?

The point I'm making is if you continue to fill the gaps in the welfare state with charity you allow the government to make more gaps.

I appreciate what I say isn't popular but the increase in foodbanks is their own doinfgonce a government sees that people can manage (on charity) they will cut further.

In another 10 yrs you'll have more people relying on their help - lets not kid ourselves here, full time employment is a thing of the past, Covid is destroying the economy and technology is replacing jobs in the millions.

The country is facing mass unemployment and those in work are likely to face cutbacks to pay for the Covid crisis, what do we do? create more foodbanks?

People wont starve if you stop foodbanks - thats a strawman argument. Sure there will be short term hardship but ultimately it is the way to solve the problem.

By and large you don't solve economic / social issues with charity, you prolong the problem. You will only change things with mass action that will either bring down the government or force it to act.

You will end up in a Dickensian dystopia if we keep relying on charity to prop up the government whilst they cut taxes on the wealthy.

We've had volunteers manning libraries allowing for job cuts, we have foodbanks allowing welfare cuts, we have volunteers working in healthcare during a crisis - where does it all stop? Lets cut taxes even more we can have a volunteer firebrigade, volunteer doctors etc.

Charity may have its place in funding the dogs home etc but it isn't a substitute for adequate government funded welfare, healthcare etc

We pay tax and national insurance for government services not charitable aid.

The USA had had charities plugging inadequate welfare and look at the inequality they have.

If you think a foodbank is helping people you are sadly mistaken.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 14:08

The point I'm making is if you continue to fill the gaps in the welfare state with charity you allow the government to make more gaps. I understood your point and even answered, in part, as though I agreed with it. I'll ask again - the gap between food banks ceasing and a government picking up the whole of the slack - what happens? How do the most needy get fed?

I appreciate what I say isn't popular but the increase in foodbanks is their own doinfgonce a government sees that people can manage (on charity) they will cut further. But there you are incorrect. Like almost every other charity worker I know I would be delghte to stop! What you are suggesting is vert popular. What you haven't got is anything beyond a theory....

In another 10 yrs you'll have more people relying on their help - lets not kid ourselves here, full time employment is a thing of the past, Covid is destroying the economy and technology is replacing jobs in the millions.

The country is facing mass unemployment and those in work are likely to face cutbacks to pay for the Covid crisis, what do we do? create more foodbanks? Do you really think foodbank organisers aren't aware of the increase? The change in client base? And do you think they are just sitting back thinking "Oh well!"?

People wont starve if you stop foodbanks - thats a strawman argument. Sure there will be short term hardship but ultimately it is the way to solve the problem. And that is where you are wrong. People who turn to theft, people who turn to begging, prostitution, they won't starve if foodbanks close.

What do you define as short term hardship? WHat do you think that is, in real life?

By and large you don't solve economic / social issues with charity, you prolong the problem. You will only change things with mass action that will either bring down the government or force it to act. By and large I don't expect anyone in the charity sector thought they would solve societal issues. They wanted to step in and make the lives of the worst off better whilst other campaigning made societal changes!

You will end up in a Dickensian dystopia if we keep relying on charity to prop up the government whilst they cut taxes on the wealthy. Oh smart words, they are so evocative... but some of my clients lived in just such a dystopia before they found us and many other supportive orgaisations, mostly charitable!

We've had volunteers manning libraries allowing for job cuts, we have foodbanks allowing welfare cuts, we have volunteers working in healthcare during a crisis - where does it all stop? Lets cut taxes even more we can have a volunteer firebrigade, volunteer doctors etc. Allowing? That's the crux of it isn't it? You see stepping in as allowing the government to cut costs... and you will lay that blame...

Charity may have its place in funding the dogs home etc but it isn't a substitute for adequate government funded welfare, healthcare etc I agree ith you. I would imagine every single person working in every charity sector would!

We pay tax and national insurance for government services not charitable aid. Yes...

The USA had had charities plugging inadequate welfare and look at the inequality they have. Ooh! I could start with Obamacare, NHS etc, but maybe that would take too long!

If you think a foodbank is helping people you are sadly mistaken. That depends entirely on your perspective. I see near neighbours without food, heating and support. So I choose to help. You see a much bigger, less human picture and choose not to!

The difference is, I suppose, that I help the individual AND lobby the government. I am capable of seeing both needs and applying myself to them!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 14:17

In another 10 yrs you'll have more people relying on their help - lets not kid ourselves here, full time employment is a thing of the past, Covid is destroying the economy and technology is replacing jobs in the millions. Damn, missed one!

Ah! I have lived in 2 centuries, 7 decades: before man landed on the moon; before pans were non stick; before the UK got microwaves as a mater of course, washing machines tumble dryers too; before unmarried women were allowed the Pill; Kevlar vests (invented by a woman); before rice was modified to become hoigh yield; before heart bypasses; before InterCity trains; Pelican crossings; televison sets in houses; before integrated computer systems, Arpanet, fibre optics; Before MRIs, barcodes supercomputers, personal computers; before phines were in everyone's homes let alone their pockets; before Microsoft; Before the web...

Most of which caused some social upheaval, many heralded as the end of the world as we know it!

You can't stop progress. You just have to adapt. And human beings have a mawkish tendency to help thoise who cannot adapt quickly enough.

Hence foodbanks!

Colour me sentimental!

Birdsandbeez · 25/11/2020 14:20

@CuriousaboutSamphire

The point I'm making is if you continue to fill the gaps in the welfare state with charity you allow the government to make more gaps. I understood your point and even answered, in part, as though I agreed with it. I'll ask again - the gap between food banks ceasing and a government picking up the whole of the slack - what happens? How do the most needy get fed?

I appreciate what I say isn't popular but the increase in foodbanks is their own doinfgonce a government sees that people can manage (on charity) they will cut further. But there you are incorrect. Like almost every other charity worker I know I would be delghte to stop! What you are suggesting is vert popular. What you haven't got is anything beyond a theory....

In another 10 yrs you'll have more people relying on their help - lets not kid ourselves here, full time employment is a thing of the past, Covid is destroying the economy and technology is replacing jobs in the millions.

The country is facing mass unemployment and those in work are likely to face cutbacks to pay for the Covid crisis, what do we do? create more foodbanks? Do you really think foodbank organisers aren't aware of the increase? The change in client base? And do you think they are just sitting back thinking "Oh well!"?

People wont starve if you stop foodbanks - thats a strawman argument. Sure there will be short term hardship but ultimately it is the way to solve the problem. And that is where you are wrong. People who turn to theft, people who turn to begging, prostitution, they won't starve if foodbanks close.

What do you define as short term hardship? WHat do you think that is, in real life?

By and large you don't solve economic / social issues with charity, you prolong the problem. You will only change things with mass action that will either bring down the government or force it to act. By and large I don't expect anyone in the charity sector thought they would solve societal issues. They wanted to step in and make the lives of the worst off better whilst other campaigning made societal changes!

You will end up in a Dickensian dystopia if we keep relying on charity to prop up the government whilst they cut taxes on the wealthy. Oh smart words, they are so evocative... but some of my clients lived in just such a dystopia before they found us and many other supportive orgaisations, mostly charitable!

We've had volunteers manning libraries allowing for job cuts, we have foodbanks allowing welfare cuts, we have volunteers working in healthcare during a crisis - where does it all stop? Lets cut taxes even more we can have a volunteer firebrigade, volunteer doctors etc. Allowing? That's the crux of it isn't it? You see stepping in as allowing the government to cut costs... and you will lay that blame...

Charity may have its place in funding the dogs home etc but it isn't a substitute for adequate government funded welfare, healthcare etc I agree ith you. I would imagine every single person working in every charity sector would!

We pay tax and national insurance for government services not charitable aid. Yes...

The USA had had charities plugging inadequate welfare and look at the inequality they have. Ooh! I could start with Obamacare, NHS etc, but maybe that would take too long!

If you think a foodbank is helping people you are sadly mistaken. That depends entirely on your perspective. I see near neighbours without food, heating and support. So I choose to help. You see a much bigger, less human picture and choose not to!

The difference is, I suppose, that I help the individual AND lobby the government. I am capable of seeing both needs and applying myself to them!

No worries.

I'm not going to change anything on my own. Just let's carry on and see how many people we have reliant on charity in 10 - 20 yrs.

When there is no welfare state left people will start acting but it will be too late.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2020 14:23

No worries ?? So no answers then? And no intention of responding to any points raised? No possibiity of discussion... just state your opinion, rinse and repeat!

OK!

Birdsandbeez · 25/11/2020 14:52

@CuriousaboutSamphire

No worries ?? So no answers then? And no intention of responding to any points raised? No possibiity of discussion... just state your opinion, rinse and repeat!

OK!

I can't really discuss if you are going to insist on strawmanning what I'm saying.