Pip assessment report

[Natkjdcjw]

Hey, wondering if someone could help with any information possible.

I had my sons pip assessment 2 weeks ago, I thought it went really well. The assessor was absolutely lovely, thought she had listened to me. they have sent me a copy of the report today, on there she has stated that my son who has ADHD and terrible memory issues can literally do everything!!

And on every section it says that he attends mainstream college and passed his GCSE’s (only just because we found the right medication just in time!)
When the decision maker looks at this will she take in to consideration what I have said or just the assessor? As if they go by what she said we will definitely be refused.

Thank you

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@Dogsaresomucheasier I think they assume to some extent that the person is unable to do much in the way of childcare / family duties from the off - the form is worded to focus on the person themselves and what they can do for themselves. So scoring points for being unable to dress themselves, cook, wash etc etc. If they cannot do these things they are unlikely to be able to do it for someone else etc. The points are not only awarded for whether someone can or cannot do these things but also whether they can do it safely, reliably and repeatedly - key words. I can walk for example but I get enhanced mobility because I cannot always walk repeatedly as I suffer extreme joint pain and exhaustion if I do. And so on.

However (sorry posted too soon)! I can supervise my son with autism as he doesn’t need physical restraint just motivation and supervision so I can still “care” for him and receive carers allowance for him as well as receiving PIP myself. All circumstances are different.

[quote DaisyDreaming]@Natkjdcjw cooking used to be can you chop veg, use a stove safely etc now it’s if you can use a microwave then you can cook![/quote]
My lad isn’t allowed to use any item in my kitchen without supervision. The smoke detector would be screaming constantly.

During lockdown we tried to teach him, setting step by step guides, have brought so many appliances to aid him, timers etc but he forgets to set them. He will go back to computers or tv and just completely forget until the alarms are going off then he panics his brother who is 12 has had to help him out.
Yet I told her all this and apparently he is safe to use the kitchen like a normal 16 year old.

Thing that makes me angry is I know people that claimed this benefit so easily and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them! Just been taught to fiddle the system and people like you described are left in the gutter

OP, I'm really interested in why you wrote this. As a previous poster said, it's part of the mythology that led to the terribly harsh PIP system being created and accepted in the first place.

No-one gets PIP 'easily'. No-one. As you are finding out on here.

I help people complete PIP applications. No way can anyone 'fiddle' the system. Even Stan Ogden's infamous 'bad back' would have required an x-ray or other scan, medication history, at least one doctor's letter/report, and a reasonably articulate narrative around the relevant PIP descriptors.

Parenting isn’t part in anyway of it, it’s whether he can make his own needs. Does he need help showering himself, dressing himself etc. If you look at the criteria you can see whether he meets it for his own care needs. Mobility is also purely his mobility, it’s easy to get when it’s cut and dry as to whether you can walk or not but harder for those who walking causes symptoms. You can ask for an assessment from social services to see if you qualify for direct payments.

I believe people can fiddle the system. There’s doctors out there who will write dramatic reports for money! It’s sad as it’s such a struggle for so many. I’m lucky with only having to have one assessment (at home) since PIP was introduced and not had to fight but I know I’m in the minority

@DaisyDreaming

I believe people can fiddle the system. There’s doctors out there who will write dramatic reports for money! It’s sad as it’s such a struggle for so many. I’m lucky with only having to have one assessment (at home) since PIP was introduced and not had to fight but I know I’m in the minority

I'd love to know where these doctors who get their reports listened too by the DWP are.

My DD's DLA-PIP application included reports from two specialists, one specialist nurse, a counsellor and copies of her school plans that had been used and the decision maker only took heed of the opinion of the face-to-face assessment.

In her appeal the panel put their weight on the questions they asked her and her answers, they said that's much better than reports.

I believe people can fiddle the system. There’s doctors out there who will write dramatic reports for money!

Never, ever heard of this. It would be fraud and a doctor would risk being investigated by their professional body for what, a hundred quid or so?

Where are these stories coming from?? Genuinely intrigued.

Our surgery no longer does support letters. They will only reply to a request from the DWP, which doesn’t usually happen until tribunal time, because although they say they can request info they don’t have too.

Basically our GP said it was a waste of their time as the DWP decision makers just ignore them anyway and they’d rather spend time on patients and on appeal stuff as the panel actually read ot

@DaisyDreaming, I believe people can fiddle the system.
That's plain scare-mongering.
It's tough enough without you making statements like that (I think the other comments you've made are spot-on, by the way).
What's your evidence for saying that?

Butterer- your surgery sound horrible.
OP I hope you dont need to go for mandatory reconsideration but if you do it's got a very high success rate.

Makes me so angry that genuine people can't get PIP

There's a woman at school who literally has nothing wrong with her - basically lied her way through the whole thing and made out she needed it - practically bragged that she would never get found out (said bad back and depression/couldn't function after giving birth)

Yet a good friend who has no arms and only one leg (birth defects) had hers cut.

You couldn't make this shit up.

I'm so sorry to anyone who has failed to get what they deserve.

basically lied her way through the whole thing and made out she needed it - practically bragged that she would never get found out

That was much easier to do for DLA than it has ever been for PIP, but the fraud rate for that was incredibly low as mentioned upthread. If you are 100% sure of that, then report her, you can do it anonymously. Give them her name. address and details of any social media pictures where she's doing Tough Mudder in record time, that sort of thing. Include the details of why she's so sure she'll not be found out. www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

Yet a good friend who has no arms and only one leg (birth defects) had hers cut

Get her some help to re-apply and present the forms with an accurate description of the difficulties she has in daily living and mobility. She must have been down-graded somehow, she needs to go through her previous PIP forms and assessor's report and see what points she was awarded, then go through this one, compare everything point by point, item by item and see what has changed and why. Then she needs to re-apply if it's out of the time to challenge DWP's decision.

There used to be a lot of organisations that would help with claims, in my area they had all (been?) closed down and CAB would only become involved at Tribunal level. I understand there are lots of groups on FB etc. who have now filled that role.
Avoid anyone that wants payment for helping to complete forms or explain the system.

@StarUtopia that woman at the school must be incredibly stupid if she’s standing there bragging about getting PIP fraudulently. Does she not realise people can and will report her?!

Fraudulent claims are actually very low as others have said. It’s very difficult to claim, they do now expect a lot of supporting medical evidence - I know because I’ve just gone through this and also belong to a lot of online PIP support groups where people are trying to (rightfully) claim and struggling. Many people wrongly think it’s to do with diagnosis and don’t go into enough details on the forums. PIP want evidence and details about how your daily life is affected, they aren’t interested in what you actually have.

I don’t tell anyone in real life I get PIP. Not even my best friends. I’m too scared of peoples reactions or for being reported for claiming fraudulently when I’m absolutely not - that sadly says a lot about the reactions disabled people face everyday.

*forms, not forums obviously

Just gone through through this with DS 16 who has ASD, I applied to be his appointee as he would have been incapable of talking on the phone/ filling in forms etc. Waiting now on the outcome. Its nerve-wracking

I phoned the DWP for DS's report this morning, took about 15 mins to get through all the menus, security Qs etc but it hadn't arrived with them yet. I will try again in a few days.

Just coming back to say I got DS's assessment report this week and it is pretty accurate, with scoring that more or less agreed with mine (enhanced living, standard mobility) so I need to wait for the DWP decision now.

Received my decision today after I called, my son has been refused. I have to wait for the letter to come through so I can start putting together the MR.
Does anyone know if it’s better to do via phone or letter?
Thanks

You can submit an MR either on the phone or writing. I personally went with a letter so I could cover everything I wanted to say. It also could be sent recorded delivery & was proof of my MR being submitted. If you're on Facebook, there are some groups that help with advice for appeals

Had a phone call Monday morning from the decision maker on my sons claim, she asked more questions which I answered. He has since been referred to the hospital to cardiology as he has suspected PoTS which the lady told me was a big safety problem.
Yet scored him full 0’s again! But he has a long wait to get to the hospital with covid our hospital is so behind on everything could be the end of the year. I explained this and informed her we saw a dr at the gp that is a specialist in hearts who said that she can’t diagnose it her self but that is what he has.
I’ve now got to go through the tribunal side of things. Stress levels are through the roof now!!