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What % of working families receive free school meals?

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londoncrawling · 28/10/2020 11:43

And can you link to any articles to prove this?
Fed up of all the benefit bashing I hear about this (am not on benefits and don't get free meals btw but don't grudge parents wanting to give their children food 🙄) and I'm sure I heard that a high percentage of school meals go to low paid working families but can't find any evidence of this. Can anyone help?

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x2boys · 28/10/2020 11:52

Well we are a low wage family ,Dh earns about £17,500 we get tax credits and DLA for our disabled child and I get carers allowance we don't qualify for them .

Saladd0dger · 28/10/2020 11:55

Think the cut off is around 7k?

RightOnTheEdge · 28/10/2020 12:03

I was shocked because my friend is a single mum on a low wage with UC and she didn't qualify.
You have to be earning under £7,400 a year which is so low. She earns just over.
I am in exactly the same position but I get the fsm because I was very lucky to apply before they changed the threshold.
I think on Tax Credits you had to be earning under £16,000 which is a huge difference.

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BlindAssassin1 · 28/10/2020 12:13

I don't think it happens automatically if you're in receipt of UC; the parents still need to inform the council that its needed/ wanted.

It would be interesting to know who is entitled to it and who is actually taking it up - there is still a real stigma around it.

Sheknowsaboutme · 28/10/2020 12:13

When i was a school secretary (up until 15 months ago) out of 137 kids, 67 of them received FSM. Very high.

Orangeblossom7777 · 28/10/2020 12:14

It might of interest to people reading this that the gov is thinking of increasing it to everyone on universal credit. Not sure what the cut of is for that, or if it will include tax credits also.

Sheknowsaboutme · 28/10/2020 12:16

Only a handful of those kids brought in a lunchbox with them. Also depended on the menu. If they didn’t like it, they bought in a box which was a real headache for me and the cook!

Orangeblossom7777 · 28/10/2020 12:16

there is still a real stigma around it

When I was a child they would give out a token to carry to the canteen- however now think it just gets added to the online account so should be easier. Also the school gets a Pupil Premium as well

TheSunIsStillShining · 28/10/2020 12:23

ONS has all the data.

JoJoSM2 · 28/10/2020 14:35

The cut off is the income of 14k a year. So that’s max one part-timer in the family.

So not really ‘working’ families.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 28/10/2020 14:36

Not a lot. It is mostly for people on benefits to be honest. I'm a single parent working part time and I don't qualify for them.

THATbasicWITCH · 28/10/2020 14:37

Some local authorities have extended eligability to include those who previously met the criteria, even if they no longer do

Waxonwaxoff0 · 28/10/2020 14:38

@RightOnTheEdge not true, I get the old style tax credits and I don't qualify. I earn less than £10k.

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 28/10/2020 14:41

When i got WTC I was told it was set at a rate that was meant to cover school meals and thats why families in receipt of WTC didn't also qualify for FSM.
I don't know if UC works in the same way though but I would assume so. Although nothing would surprise me.

CountFosco · 28/10/2020 14:42

A quick google throws up this bbc website. 17% of children in England and Scotland, 20% in Wales and 28% in NI qualify.

Orangeblossom7777 · 28/10/2020 14:45

I think you have to apply - at your ccouncil, it does say around 16K for tax credits (but not working TC)...

"Child Tax Credit (provided you’re not also entitled to Working Tax Credit and have an annual gross income of no more than £16,190)"

www.gov.uk/apply-free-school-meals

Waxonwaxoff0 · 28/10/2020 15:07

As a recipient of WTC I wouldn't feel comfortable receiving free school meals. I don't need them and I'm sure there are families who get no benefits at all who need them more than I do. It's a difficult one

Orangeblossom7777 · 28/10/2020 16:01

It says not WTC though, just CTC

ChaChaCha2012 · 28/10/2020 16:09

The criteria is very complicated. It was far more generous before Universal Credit. Not sure if it's nation wide, but anyone that was eligible in March 2018 maintains that eligibility until 2023.

The current issue is that there has been a rise in people eligible via UC of 42% in the past six months. These are people that were previously in work but have had to claim due to losing their job or reduced hours due to the pandemic. They're also used to living on much more, so less used to managing on such a small amount of money.

megletthesecond · 28/10/2020 16:13

I earn £10k a year and get working tax credits and I don't get free school meals.

It's not cheap when they get to secondary.

ChaChaCha2012 · 28/10/2020 16:13

Also please keep in mind the many self employed people who were previously earning a good income, and might still be working but on vastly reduced income and no other government support. They'll be claiming UC, possibly working full time hours and more, but still earning less than £7,000.

The reason the Tories get away with things like this is that people don't think beyond the headline. They assume everyone earning a low income is workshy, when in fact they could have previously been a high earner and they could still be working their arse off.

I don't believe the ONS data breaks things down to this level of detail. It will tell you how many are in receipt of FSM, but not the background to why they find themselves on benefits.

THATbasicWITCH · 28/10/2020 16:14

Not sure if it's nation wide, but anyone that was eligible in March 2018 maintains that eligibility until 2023.

I think my LA do this. Except it is "to the end of the education period they are in in march 2023" e.g. if dc is in year 4 then they remain entitled until end of primary

TheQueef · 28/10/2020 16:15

Question is wrong, I think it should be what percentage of fsm are working families, disabled families etc.

Orangeblossom7777 · 28/10/2020 16:16

What do you all think about this- government may be expanding the scene to include more working families-

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/food-tsar-henry-dimbleby-serves-up-1bn-meal-plan-to-boris-johnson-w0hdbfjb9

Boris Johnson’s food tsar said last night that the government had a “moral obligation” to stop disadvantaged children going hungry as he announced plans for a £1.2 billion programme to help those most in need.

Henry Dimbleby, co-founder of the Leon restaurant chain and the government’s adviser on food strategy, has sent Downing Street a four-point plan to tackle child hunger and urged ministers to “set aside ideology”.

The proposals include a holiday activity and food programme costing £500 million a year, a £100 million healthy food voucher scheme and a £670 million extension of the free school meals programme....

Mr Dimbleby’s plans go far further than the £20 million weekly cost of extending free school meals over the school holidays. He said that the cost of his £1.2 billion package paled in comparison with the £210 billion the government had spent on responding to the Covid crisis. The furloughing scheme alone is expected to cost £47 billion. However, his plans would cost twice as much as the government’s £522 million Eat Out to Help Out scheme.

Mr Dimbleby is calling for a nationwide expansion of the Holiday Activities and Food programme, which was tested in 17 local authorities over the summer. The programme provides children with daily activities and a nutritious lunch and is run by local authorities with funding from central government. He has suggested that its remit could be extended to include maths and English tuition.

Mr Dimbleby is also calling for wider availabilty of Healthy Start vouchers, which enable pregnant women on benefits and parents with young children to buy nutritious food. He said that the value of the vouchers should rise from £3.10 to £4.25 and that the eligibility of the scheme should be extended.

He wants to expand eligibility for free school meals, available at present to those with household incomes of less than £7,400 a year, to all households in receipt of Universal Credit. The approach would lead to an additional 1.5 million children receiving free school meals at an extra cost of £670 million a year.

His final recommendation is for a ministerial task force dedicated to tracking data on child hunger. He said: “The problem is serious, immediate and will get much worse. It needs to be an authentic and proportional response. People will sniff out very quickly if it is just political.”

Dame Anne Longfield, the children’s commissioner for England and Wales, said that the government should adopt Mr Dimbleby’s recommendations “without delay”. Writing for The Times Red Box, she said: “If we can tackle pensioner poverty over two decades via a triple lock, we can tackle child poverty.”

Mr Sunak said the government was “absolutely committed” to ensuring vulnerable children did not go hungry.

GalaxyCookieCrumble · 28/10/2020 16:17

Dido Harding's husband who is also a Tory MP called parents chaotic sending children to school hungry. I literally despise this Government and their lack of awareness on this. Something needs to change.

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