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Sir Patrick Vallance -Vaccine Conflict of Interest

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FTMF30 · 24/09/2020 14:09

Any thoughts on the article below:

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/09/24/no-conflict-of-interest-in-vallance-holding-vaccine-company-shares-hancock/

I personally find it to be a huge conflict of interest and actually quite sinister. I just don't know what/who to trust anymore.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/09/2020 15:16

@FTM don't shop at Lewis's then. They've all got shares.

Coop too!

banjaxxed · 24/09/2020 15:16

Of course he has shares - he was a very senior member of GSKs management team

To get the job as CSA, he would have worked in top level science at one of the country's best pharma companies. Surely we want that? And surely ones of the best vaccine research organisations are likely to produce the vaccine are they not?!

Science collaboration happens all the time

The man is a scientist and will promote the best science - GSK, AZ both have excellent vaccine research capability

FTMF30 · 24/09/2020 15:17

[quote 4amWitchingHour]**@FTMF30* @Hippymama* @yawnsvillex ok, you just don't know how the civil service works[/quote]
You're right, I actually don't know much, which is why I'd put it up for discussion. I like different perspectives.

I understand having to declare a conflict of interest, but that just means putting it out on the open doesn't it. That doesn't prevent him as a human being feeling personally motivated to promote something he has shares in.

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AKissAndASmile · 24/09/2020 15:17

Wow, that's a large amount of shares in one company!

Niceproblemtohave · 24/09/2020 15:18

Exactly! We're not fed up of experts.....we need them!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/09/2020 15:19

I can only repeat, you are watching a witch hunt and being sucked in by it.

Or do you want that hypothetical diamond driller to use his experience in medical matters? At least he wouldn't have experience, passion or cash in the industry! You could trust him....

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/09/2020 15:21

@AKiss it's a company with a lot of shares!! About 10 million of them!

FTMF30 · 24/09/2020 15:21

I'm not quite sure people are quick to jump to conspiracy? I welcome reasoned different opinions.

My opinion is merely that it's a problematic conflict of interest.

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FTMF30 · 24/09/2020 15:22

[quote CuriousaboutSamphire]@FTM don't shop at Lewis's then. They've all got shares.

Coop too![/quote]
I think the stakes aren't as high when we're dealing with jackets, bread, etc.

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saraclara · 24/09/2020 15:23

A Government spokesman confirmed Sir Patrick held a deferred share bonus which would mature in April 2021 but refused to reveal the number of shares or disclose their value.

He said he had sold his other GSK shares before starting his Government role or after a mandatory holding period.

“Upon his appointment, appropriate steps were taken to manage the Government chief scientific adviser’s (GCSA) interests in line with advice provided at the time,” said the spokesman.

Sir Patrick is “closely involved” in the operations of the Government’s vaccines taskforce as well as chairing the expert advisory panel on vaccines, according to Whitehall sources.

However, the spokesman said: “The GCSA has no input into contractual and commercial decisions on vaccine procurement which are taken by ministers following a robust cross-Government approvals regime.”

On the council for science and technology register, his personal and business interests state: “GSK shareholdings (mandatory holding period for deferred bonus).”

Everything that should be done, has been done. He sold all the shares that he was legally able to sell, before taking up his govt post. The remaining ones can't be sold yet because of the maturity date.

The process is crystal clear. He declared his interests at the beginning, and took all the steps necessary.

SorrelBlackbeak · 24/09/2020 15:24

@AKissAndASmile

Wow, that's a large amount of shares in one company!
Gsk shares sell at about £1500 per share so he has about 400 shares altogether. There are millions of shares in the company.
Niceproblemtohave · 24/09/2020 15:24

CuriousAboutSamphire - totally agree about a witch-hunt . Why have the Telegraph reported this "outrageous scoop" today?

Is the Tory right wing trying to destabilise confidence in the CMO and CSO by any chance? Hmm

That's more likely to cost lives in my opinion

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/09/2020 15:25

Oh, do fuck off @sarahclara.

You're doing that logic thing again. Can't abide logical people!!!

(Do I need to add a smiley face?)

enjoyingscience · 24/09/2020 15:26

This is such a non issue. He was enormously senior in pharma. Many senior people on pharma are paid in shares, therefore he has some shares. He’s already sold about £5m worth. His career history is no secret.

Would you rather our CSO had never worked successfully in science? Shall we let a post doc have a crack because they are unencumbered by career history?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/09/2020 15:27

niceproblemtohave could equally be any left leaning politico, all that money, socialism and green eyed monsters!

banjaxxed · 24/09/2020 15:28

@SorrelBlackbeak GSK shares are £14.50 ish not £1500?!

The price is in pence not £s

CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/09/2020 15:29

Grin I missed that error!

saraclara · 24/09/2020 15:37

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Oh, do fuck off *@sarahclara*.

You're doing that logic thing again. Can't abide logical people!!!

(Do I need to add a smiley face?)

Grin
FTMF30 · 24/09/2020 15:39

@Niceproblemtohave

CuriousAboutSamphire - totally agree about a witch-hunt . Why have the Telegraph reported this "outrageous scoop" today?

Is the Tory right wing trying to destabilise confidence in the CMO and CSO by any chance? Hmm

That's more likely to cost lives in my opinion

@Niceproblemtohave

"Why have The Telegraph reported this 'outrageous scoop' today?"

Sorry, what do you mean by this?

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JustMeAndMyTins · 24/09/2020 15:39

I'm with @CuriousaboutSamphire here. A load of fuss about fuck all.

And also - I, too, am curious about samphire. I blame Masterchef.

ProfessorSlocombe · 24/09/2020 15:44

Personally I would be more concerned about the fact that Matt Hancock - who on any other planet would be responsible for Vallances bona fides claims he only learned about it from a newspaper.

Mind you, this is the same man who admitted he wished he'd been told there was a virus doing the rounds a few days ago, or some such similar twaddle.

Niceproblemtohave · 24/09/2020 15:52

FTMF30
Telegraph reporting this "news" today. Just curious that it follows 5 days of rumbling by certain factions of the Tory party who strongly disagree with the additional restrictions in England and curtailing of our freedom!

AKissAndASmile · 24/09/2020 15:57

@SorrelBlackbeak

I was referring to the £600k worth of shares being reported. I've just read in the Torygraph that he's cashed in £5m worth, so it seems the £600k is actually chickenfeed.

MrsNathanDrake · 24/09/2020 15:59

I think is just part of a move to discredit him because his advice doesn't align with what the tories want, i.e. life to return to how it was before March and all restrictions removed. See also Neil Ferguson.

FTMF30 · 24/09/2020 16:09

@Niceproblemtohave Oh right, ok. Thank you. That's interesting.

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