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If you have been diagnosed with Ehlers Danlos syndrome ....

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InDispairThisWeek · 30/08/2020 15:01

How did you get diagnosed and how do you cope with it.

We’re currently trying to get dd diagnosed but in current climates (CV-19) it is not easy.

She is hyper mobile and has constant pain in her shoulders, hip and knee, she was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue syndrome 3 years ago and it still affects her a lot, she has stretch marks even though she has always been petite, she has a few atrophic scars and veins on her legs where the skin dips because it feels as if there is nothing under the skin (hard to explain), she has also been getting severe stomachs pains which has caused a few trips to A&E on the advice of 111.

We’ve been to the doctor who has referred her for a scan of her stomach and to a physiotherapist for her hyper mobility pain, but the doctor couldn’t diagnose EDS (I don’t think they knew much about it), so will the physiotherapist be able to diagnose it? We’re still waiting for both appointments.

How do you cope with the pain and fatigue, she’s just about to start A levels and I don’t know how she’s going to cope Sad

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AFireInJuly · 30/08/2020 15:13

I haven't technically been diagnosed with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome but I have with Generalised Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder - as far as I can't tell there's not much difference between them, and they tend to be treated the same. I am not too badly affected in the sense that I have never dislocated anything, but I have slipped three discs in my neck, have some osteoarthritis in my neck and also a mild scoliosis which is all probably related to my spine being too flexible. I tire easily, don't have much endurance and also get a lot of stomach pains. I am 32.

I would say that making sure you keep everything ergonomic is important - my work station is precisely set up so that I keep good posture and don't reach too far for my mouse etc. This made a big difference. I spent a lot of years paying no attention to my posture, carrying heavy bags on one shoulder etc which is probably the cause of a lot of my back problems. It's important to learn how to move without straining yourself - a lot of the pain is actually caused by muscle tension rather than injury. Once I learned to relax my muscles properly I had a lot less pain. Pilates is good, but a lot of traditional Pilates involves bracing and holding difficult positions, which is not good.

I found this service really useful - jeanniedibon.hypermobility.club/pages/zebra-club-sales-page It's online physio/Pilates exercises suitable for people with hypermobility run by a Pilates teacher who has EDS herself.

toomanypillows · 30/08/2020 15:18

I don't have any experience of this as a parent, but as a 6th form tutor, two years ago I had a student in my form with this condition.

In terms of managing her condition we allowed reasonable adjustment regarding the amount of time she was required in the building and always ensured that she was accompanied right from arriving on site. Her mum used to drop her off on the car park, and there was always either a fellow student or staff member available to walk her through the centre to manage doors, and to ensure she wasn't left on her own.

We also accommodated additional exam needs for her and allocated a welfare session for her every week, to address any concerns or worries that she or her family had (though she didn't access this every week)

She was absolutely fine with her studies, and we worked with the SEND faculty to ensure application for extra time or special circumstances if required.

It must be a worrying time for you all, and beyond this particular student I don't have any knowledge or experience of the condition but in terms of A Levels, certainly she coped and completed them in two years and went on to further training in a childcare setting - this was in a setting which had also accommodated her work experience in year 12.

Talk to the school or college and make sure that staff who are allocated to her (form tutor/SENCO/counsellor) etc. are aware of her specific needs and so can access training.

Good luck. Hope you are all OK

Chippychipcrisps · 30/08/2020 15:24

Check out Jessica Kellgren-Fozard on YouTube. She is talks about her life with EDS and how difficult it was to get a correct diagnosis.

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EDSGFC · 30/08/2020 15:25

I was diagnosed by chance really. I am under a gastroenterologist and one of the registrar's had an interest in EDS and gastro issues and linked all of my symptoms and then referred me to Dr Hakim who is an expert in EDS and who she had previously worked with. Until that point no one had ever looked at my issues as a whole but had treated each thing individually.

In terms of treatment a diagnosis hasn't made a huge difference although it's prompted diagnosis and treatment for dysautonomia but given the complications I now have everyone agrees that had I been diagnosed in my teens my life would be very different now.

I really think the key is to be referred to a rheumatologist and then ask them to refer you to a specialist centre if they suspect EDS. UCLH in London has an EDS specialist but I believe only accepts referrals from a rheumatologist. Alternatively Dr Hakim has a private clinic at St John and St Elizabeth hospital in London.

HoratiotheHorsefly · 30/08/2020 15:27

Has a referral been done to rheumatology yet?

I'm trying to persuade my dd to get referred because she's hypermobile, sufferers terrible pain in her hips and spine, looks like she has some form of scoliosis.

She's at uni and she has to have quite a strict routine with her sleep patterns but frequently wakes up two hours later when she sat down for a moment.

Definitely speak to the head of 6th form so they're fully aware, that's what we did and her school was very supportive.

InDispairThisWeek · 30/08/2020 16:11

Thanks everyone, there’s some really useful information, I will look into it all.

I am struggling getting anyone to look at the symptoms as a whole at the moment, they all just want to look at individual symptoms, but I will carry on pushing. If nothing comes from the physiotherapist I will push for a referral to a rheumatologist.

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RyanBergarasTeeth · 30/08/2020 16:17

Im the exact same as @AFireInJuly. I have had loads of blood tests and a scan for an aortic aneurysm thats confirmed it. I always ache and it takes extra strength numbing stuff at thr dentist to work which i hear is common in our condition. I struggle to stand for long periods of time due to aches. Has your dd has blood tests at the very least?

EDSGFC · 30/08/2020 16:18

@InDispairThisWeek

Thanks everyone, there’s some really useful information, I will look into it all.

I am struggling getting anyone to look at the symptoms as a whole at the moment, they all just want to look at individual symptoms, but I will carry on pushing. If nothing comes from the physiotherapist I will push for a referral to a rheumatologist.

From my experience that's why you need an EDS expert. EDS affects multiple systems in the body so the symptoms can be wide and varied and so many drs have little to no knowledge of EDS so don't join the dots.

I have had all of the investigations for PITS/dysautonomia and it was eye opening for me to finally realise how many of my symptoms are caused by this despite them appearing to be unconnected. I think it's a grossly misunderstood condition and can actually have far ranging effects including reactions to anaesthetics. I often have to educate drs and alert them to potential complications because they have no knowledge of it.

RyanBergarasTeeth · 30/08/2020 16:19

Yes i hear its really hard to get a diagnosis and i have been lucky to get my hypermobility diagnosis but maybe because especially in my hands i have very obvious turned fingers and swans neck deformities so cant hide it.

madcatladyforever · 30/08/2020 16:25

I'm a podiatrist and I often discover the problem when I examine the feet. They will have been referred with flat feet or pain in the ankles and then a few tests later if I think they may have EDS I'll refer them to a rheumatologist for an official diagnosis
There is no cure though. The best thing to do is to educate yourself by reading everything you can. Be aware of the complications that can arise and think about preventative measures to stop an injury occurring.

Goodoldfashionedploverboy · 30/08/2020 16:26

I have multiple intersecting auto-immune diseases. You 100% need to get DD seen by a rheumatologist. Other specialists often simply do not understand autoimmunity and the diverse ways it manifests.

My illnesses are really well under control and hardly impact on my life on a day-to-day basis owing to the excellence of my rheumatologists.

TheDrsDocMartens · 30/08/2020 16:27

Rheumatology gave me a diagnosis of HMS and ‘it would be EDS but no chance of genetic testing’

InDispairThisWeek · 30/08/2020 16:54

Ryan, dd had blood tests when she was first diagnosed with CFS, but not since then, it is frustrating that for the last 3 years she has seen a neurologist who knew she was hyper mobile but never mentioned any connection, nor have any of the other doctors we’ve seen, I stumbled on the connection when I was doing some reading and since then when I’ve mentioned it to the doctor they have agreed it could be EDS but don’t know enough to confirm it.

She’s never had a general anaesthetic but I do know they may not work as well. Most pain killers don’t seem to work for her, she relies on biofreeze for her joint pain.

I think I will contact the doctor about being referred to rheumatology

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Gilead · 30/08/2020 16:57

I have hEDS. Agree with rheumatology referral.
Dd and Ds also have it. Both tire easily, one has no stomach pain, the other can be bad.

Gilead · 30/08/2020 16:59

Sorry, pressed send by accident. Both experience joint pain, both have a degree of scoliosis. We all have PoTs.

Jackparlabane · 30/08/2020 17:00

Rheumatologist diagnosed a HMS, pain management clinic confirmed EDS and/or fibromyalgia, but in either case treatment is physio, painkillers and pacing.

MEgirl · 30/08/2020 18:03

These websites have a lot of information:

www.hypermobility.org/

www.ehlers-danlos.org/

motherofdxughters · 30/08/2020 18:04

I went to a private specialist to get diagnosed. I paid £250 for the appointment and now it's on all my files with a treatment plan.

InDispairThisWeek · 30/08/2020 18:17

Thanks everyone.

Motherofdx, where did you find the information to get a private specialist?

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Poutintrout · 30/08/2020 18:19

I was diagnosed with CFS & Fibro by my GP but I was convinced that something more was going on and could see that my health problems were comorbid. I opted to see a Rheumatologist privately who diagnosed Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder. He suggested I attend a specialist clinic in North London but to be honest I can't be bothered & I'm not sure what benefit this will bring versus the hassle of going.

I have had physio on my hip which has been painful for years and was advised to do Pilates and cycling. I do find that keeping moving helps my joints, I feel worse if I am too inactive but have to balance that against doing too much. I can hurt myself easily. My other problems are just managed with painkillers and just muddling through.

Do try and push for a diagnosis even though it is difficult to get one. It has made such a difference for my mental state to have a label for it and to not just feel like a flake.

Yellredder · 30/08/2020 18:42

This is interesting. My GP offered to refer me to a rheumatologist just before lockdown as they suspect I have this, but I didn't take her up on it as she said the symptoms would be treated individually - as they have been done my whole life.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 30/08/2020 18:55

I've been diagnosed with a close cousin of EDS. It has been passed down the family for at least 3 generations but no doctor actually joined the dots.

In the end I got diagnosed by
A) after one too many trips to A&E, being told "this ain't normal" and being told to go to my GP and ask for a referral to the relevant hospital clinic
B) googling and realising that my symptoms all fitted (and basically explained every ailment I've ever had)
C) going to my GP and asking for a referral, like A&E told me to, stating what I suspected the diagnosis to be. Got sent away again and told to come back in a week so the GP had time to Google it. Came back in a week, GP evidently had forgotten to google it, and gave me the referral.

Good thing about diagnosis is that it's given me access to medical genetics services, treatments for one of the symptoms, and proactive testing for an associated heart condition.

Graphista · 30/08/2020 18:57

My dd has Eds which was originally dx as hms, we’d been going to the gps regularly throughout her childhood and getting fobbed off, even despite MANY visits to a&e with sprains and strains and other textbook symptoms from as soon as she was born we now know. By chance just at the point I was ready to push hard for a referral we saw a locum gp who LISTENED as I explained this latest sprain was one of many, of the other difficulties dd was having and that there was clearly something wrong and she needed to be seen by a specialist. She referred us to a paediatric orthopaedic specialist who, even though dd was by the time of that appointment uninjured, remarked to us that just by seeing dd walk and her overall stature she was fairly sure she already knew what was wrong. They referred us onto a rheumatologist. Dd was still thoroughly assessed, I can’t remember now everything that was done, and as I say initially Hypermobility syndrome buy following subsequent symptoms being recognised this was changed to Eds.

What we/she has found has worked for her to reduce/minimise symptoms/difficulties is

Good supportive footwear

Good rucksacks instead of using handbags, she only uses handbags now when she won’t be carrying much

Doing her physio (which she hates but has gradually come to accept it must be done religiously). She also exercises in other ways to stay as fit as possible as that helps but avoids high impact stuff. Swimming is her preferred option normally but that’s been difficult lately of course.

Wearing her orthotics! Again something she resisted for a long time but now accepts means she is much less likely to reach a point where the pain is unbearable! I don’t think it helped that her dx happened in the summer before she started high school so at a time when she really didn’t want to be “different” and was very self conscious about her appearance. She was also a bugger for not wearing her glasses at this point which meant she kept bumping into things which didn’t help!!

Recognising her limitations - eg a busy day needs to be followed by a non busy day wherever possible, limiting walking and especially using stairs as much as possible, stopping as soon as she feels “wrong” somewhere in a joint or if she’s feeling pain

Eating well and sleeping well as much as possible - Eds can make eating normal sized meals difficult and can also mean they burn more cals and those 2 don’t marry of course. She’s now used to having 5/6 small meals a day rather than eating like most others do. Healthy fats and oils and certain vitamins are crucial too to support the joints and musculature. Sleeping well, getting a good rest gives muscles a rest of course, plus it is quite a tiring condition in our experience.

As per pps painkillers and anaesthetics barely touch her! Thankfully we have a dentist who has a mother with the same issue with anaesthetics and so understands - I have the same issue too, my first general I was coming round far sooner than they wanted. Dd has only had locals so far but they wear off super quickly and it’s incredibly frustrating how many hcps are dismissive and frankly ignorant about this! Even when we TELL them they take the attitude that we must just be wimps!! So annoying!

On one occasion I was having a procedure that the anaesthetic used was used because it also reduces blood flow, the hcps treating me didn’t listen, didn’t believe me and got in a flap when I was bleeding more than they’d have liked! And I was like “I did tell you” I had to have the same procedure again a few months later, same people and this time they listened and acted accordingly.

In our experience its woefully under recognised and acknowledged - even once you have a dx!

InDispairThisWeek · 30/08/2020 19:10

Thank you everyone, I’ve had more good information on this thread than all the medical appointments we’ve gone to.

I want a proper diagnosis both for dd’s sake so she knows there’s a reason for all the problems and they are all connected and because some medical professionals seem to dismiss symptoms as soon as we say she has CFS, for example we’ve been to the hospital several times for bad stomach pains only to be told they are period pains, we’ve had to go to the doctors several times before they referred for a scan, they even put her on the pill to try to stop the pain, unfortunately that seems to have made it worse.

I’m just very frustrated, so thank you for all the good advice, I will definitely be following it.

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Dominicgoings · 30/08/2020 19:15

Our family history of EDS ( previously Type 4, now referred to as Vascular which is the most severe) was initially diagnosed with a biopsy after emergency surgery for a life threatening aneurysm. Subsequent screening of siblings was also done with a biopsy ( 20+) years ago.
I’m not sure it it’s still done or even if it’s useful for less severe forms of EDS.

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