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Secondary school with good SN provision in Surrey/London

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Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 08:16

We are starting to think about secondary schools for DS who will start year 5 in September. He has an EHCP for a 1:1 LSA for 25 hours a week in primary school as well as weekly speech and language sessions. He has DLD and dyscalculia and is working 2/3 yrs behind. We don't want him to go to a special school as we feel he wont fit in socially. He has no issues socially and has a large group of friends. We looked at a few special schools and they all had a high percentage of children with ASD which I dont mean to be unkind but I think DS would struggle with. So we would like him to go to a mainstream school perhaps one that has a unit specialising in children with DLD. We can move but need to be in Surrey/SW London.Do you have any suggestions ?

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Kpo58 · 30/08/2020 08:29

Have you thought about Carew academy in Wallington?

Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 09:22

It looks good, but it's a special school. We defintley want him to stay in mainstream.

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WindowsSmindows · 30/08/2020 09:24

What's DLD? Good luck finding a good school for your son.

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Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 09:29

Sorry I should have explained that: Developmental language disorder. He ca speak well , but his understanding of written and spoken lanaguge is the problem.its as though his brain is wired up wrong ! So in class he needs the LSA to break down and repeat what's been said when he cant follow the teachers instructions.

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WindowsSmindows · 30/08/2020 09:43

Ah I see, that's interesting thanks for explaining.

redpandaalert · 30/08/2020 10:12

More House, Frensham. I really think with that level of support at primary and being that behind he will find mainstream school v tricky

Kpo58 · 30/08/2020 10:18

I too think that mainstream may not be the place for your DC. Unless he can get specialist help, the gap between him and his peers will only widen at mainstream school as they won't have the resources to help him.

Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 10:41

We have visited More House and it was lovely but it seemed full of boys with ASD. I know that sounds awful, but I know DS would find that really difficult to cope with from a friendship perspective. He has friends with ASD now but they are part of a big group.

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Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 10:42

Does anyone know what Moor House in Oxted is like? I imagine it is also full of children who find the social side tricky.

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WwMILd · 30/08/2020 10:53

Have a look at Gordon’s.

Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 11:01

Thank you.

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Flyingarcher · 30/08/2020 11:14

Surely Moor House near Oxted is the best place. They are really pushed academically and their speech and language provision is worl leading in this area and will be completely integrated into the curriculum. He will always be behind in mainstream, he will always be with the bunch of kids ( some of whom are in those groups for behaviour) who go out for support or who are in bottom sets for small numbers, he will, once he hits year 8 or 9 decide he doesn't want his TA with him because he feels different. If he does then he will get used to an adult doing everything for him. At the moment your son is a cute little boy whose primary are adapting and doing well with him. Peer group are squashed easily and kindness is the thing. For teenage boys 'banter' unfortunately becomes 'the thing' and for DLD or anyone with social communication difficthis can become hugely anxiety making.

Go for Moor House. Hopefully you will get it. You can always move from specialist to mainstream. I don't know what you think special schools have as a cohort but it is biais in your mind all related to labels, what people think, life choices, suddenly, hopefully getting better. My son went to special school from mainstream. He is now independent, working and fine. He was made to be independent there and people stopped treating him like the school hamster.

Flyingarcher · 30/08/2020 11:16

Look at the video the sixth formers have made on their website. I know some Moor House pupils and you wouldn't think 'special school' if you met them. DLD is a hidden difficulty

Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 12:29

I just watched a music video made by the Moor House pupils and it had me in tears. Blush. I think I might be feeling a tad emotional about all of this. Have any of you got children with SN in mainstream secondary? I just feel he has managed well at primary so I dont see why it should change at secondary. But maybe it drops working once they don't want a LSA.

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Flyingarcher · 30/08/2020 18:34

Hi @Sara2000 . It's hard, really really hard. I teach and have taught for many years in a unit attached to a mainstream school. Only you know your boy and his difficulties. We decided to move our son to a special school because he needed a lot of OT and, once he got there, it transpired he needed SALT too. You will NOT get any therapies once at secondary. LEAs put all the resources into KS1. You might, if you are lucky, get a TA doing a programme with them. With all due respect to TAs and I know and work with the best, they are not SALTS and neither am I. DLD is not something teachers are aware of. In their classroom they have 30 kids that they have to get level 4 and above and the SLT want a high percentage of 7s to 9s. This means that if your son can't keep up with a fast paced environment he will be taught mostly by his LSA, who will magically also be used to take out and deal with the other weakest pupils in the room.

My son finally had friends at his secondary school. They still keep in touch. One went to uni, others all did their college courses and were supported and most are in work now. Being there opened up avenues of further support for him once school ended with a PA and amazing employability service ( Surrey, utterly utterly fantastic service).

The problem is is that as parents we make value judgements based on our own perceptions or what people will think. We have to set that aside and think what is best for our child. If he is doing well in primary, then he may survive secondary. Listen to the primary teachers. Ask them to be frank and honest with you. If he is operating at a year 2 or 3 level then he is really going to struggle in mainstream. He will constantly feel like he is behind. If, however, he is one academic year behind then that may be a goer at mainstream. I would say that generally it's during year 5 that they realise that they are different. Heartbreaking moment 'I can't do what everyone else does, can I. Why not?' Is etched on my mind so really be very very honest with yourself and the realities. His life chances will significantly increase with good SALT and other therapeutic input, and his anxiety won't be as great but then he might cope in mainstream fine and dandy. My son was bordeline, like yours and so we looked at schools that offered GCSEs and therapy. He could have coped in mainstream with huge amounts of support but I didn't want him to 'cope', I wanted him to thrive. Also some special schools can be quite picky. Sunnydown didnt want son because he'd had so much one to one suppot. Moor House want the cognitively average or above, so I've heard.

Flyingarcher · 30/08/2020 18:39

I've just seen he has loads of friends so can see your point. Oriel School in Crawley has/had a speech and language unit. I think Oakwood school in Horley has a unit too ( ASD, I think).

JoJoSM2 · 30/08/2020 20:32

I think Carshalton Boys Sports College had a bit of a provision with a separate literacy group in Y7 for Speech and Language. I only came across it briefly a few years ago so you’d need to check what it is exactly and if it still exists.

You know your son the best but I can echo the ‘school hamster’ comment. Once kids start hitting puberty, the dynamics change.

Sara2000 · 30/08/2020 22:31

Thank you all. I have probably come across badly here in terms of sounding like I don't want my son with loads of kids with ASD. Its just that I want him to have the same wonderful friendships he has at primary and that is far more difficult if the majority of your peer group have social communication issues. Or maybe I am wrong. His sister has suspected ASD and so I see how difficult she finds the social stuff.

Anyway, thank you all. Especially flyingarcher as it was very kind of you to share so much. It is really hard being in this situation. I desperately want my boy to be like his friends and go off to the local school. You're so right that teachers dont know about DLD. We have learnt that over the last year or so and it's been very frustrating at times. So many people underestimate how debilitating his disorder is as he appears 'normal' and can hold a conversation. But the moment you give him a set of instructions, or a list of things to recall or any information in a sequence or a maths concept , then you see it. He has a lovely LSA, but shes another parent which I find embarrassing as we have not told many people about DS,so it's not great that someone I spent years stood next to in the playground has read all of the professional reports about DS at a time when we were struggling with his diagnosis. But also, she knows about as much as me. His speech and language therapy is done with a therapist directly once a week. We had to fight to win that and we pay for extra sessions but the LSA wasnt enough. I might go and see Moor House and try and be open minded. I just wish kids with SN weren't lumped together and there was more thought for individual needs.

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Flyingarcher · 31/08/2020 09:06

Ah yes! The army of LSAs who are also mummies...and gossip. Got that T shirt. He can still have his friends that he has now and meet them outside of school - particularly if they are into the same sport or interest. Good luck. It's so hard. Don't be fobbed off by the LEA into special schools that aren't suitable and you are right that an appropriate peer group is very important.

Sara2000 · 31/08/2020 09:22

It's not that I dont think LSA's have a place. I am sure some are very well qualified and a brilliant asset but at my DS's school they are 'asked' to apply by the Head and are all parents with no relevant experience. I think what got us at the time was that we had no say in who accessed these highly personal reports. The LSA went from someone stood next to me in the playground one day,to having full access to DS' reports next despite the fact she had no professional knowledge about his needs.

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JoJoSM2 · 31/08/2020 09:36

Tbh, I’ve seen the same across a lot of schools. There will be an LSA attached to a pupil who needs lots of help but whose parents didn’t want a special school. More often than not, it’s quite a clueless person who might have had a couple of hours of ‘training’ on how to support the pupil. Subject teachers are also out of their depth, as while they differentiate all the time, they’re more skilled at meeting the needs of kids who only need a little bit of help. There is the whole issue of being the school hampster and I’ve genuinely felt sorry for some kids in mainstream schools that I feel would have benefitted 100 times more in a specialist setting.

Sara2000 · 31/08/2020 10:16

I think you're right. I am definitely going to take a look at Moor House. We paid for a private S&L report when we were trying to win weekly sessions with an actual therapist rather than a LSA, and she said his receptive lanaguge was severely affected. I feel so sad for my boy. We only found out a year ago as up until the we thought it was 'just' dyslexia.

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SheWranglesRugRats · 31/08/2020 10:34

This might be useful: www.senschoolsguide.com/

fairgroundsnack · 31/08/2020 11:06

Two of my son’s friends from primary school are going to Moor House. They are very sociable boys with dyslexia - I agree it would be worth looking at.

Sara2000 · 31/08/2020 12:19

Do you mean More House in Frensham or Moor House in Oxted?

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