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Dr has advised me not to go back in September (teacher)

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IrisJoy · 25/08/2020 12:04

I have just had an appointment with my consultant. They have advised me extremely strongly not to return to my school in September. I am a primary school teacher who has had a lung transplant.
I don't know why I am writing this really. Maybe it's a wwyd? Or would you judge me for not returning.
Unfortunately it's a new job so the school don't know me. I feel that I would be letting them down terribly. Especially as I don't know when it would be safe to go in.
I am wondering whether I need to resign from a job I haven't started. I don't know if I would be paid. I hope not in a way as I feel bad enough as it is.
I have emailed the head and I am waiting for her to get in contact.
It's so hard for a lot of people to understand,as the government are so adament that shielding has ended. Tbh I would be the same if I was 'healthy'.
Just after a few wise mumsnet words I suppose....

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VivaMiltonKeynes · 25/08/2020 15:46

@PegasusReturns

I wouldn’t “judge” you but I also don’t think that is the issue.

If I was your head would I be irritated? Yes.

  • It’s the week before school and recruiting a supply teacher at short notice is expensive and difficult. I’d wonder why you didn’t communicate with me earlier.

If I were your colleagues would I be frustrated? Possibly.

  • Will this mean increased work load for the existing team? The fact they don’t know you will mean you lose any “benefit of doubt” credit.

If I was a parent with a child in your class would I be disappointed? Likely
No parent wants their child to have an undetermined period of supply teaching by a teacher who may not be engaged with the school.

That’s not to say you should go who work. You should follow your consultants advice. And you should protect yourself legally by getting a sick note and being signed off.

Yes this .
IrisJoy · 25/08/2020 15:46

Thank you all. I have heard back from the head and she was great. We are going to have a proper conversation about the best way forward tomorrow.

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IceCreamSummer20 · 25/08/2020 15:48

OP my son’s special needs teacher is not returning for the whole year. It was a blow, but I understand.

The teacher did not have Health issues but just felt scared - they did not say this was the reason - they just said they wanted a year off at the last minute - but we all know it is Covid19.

It is a blow, like I said, as my son now has a teacher who has no experience. And the continuity of teaching was something that they felt was important in the school.

But still, I do not judge the teacher at all. So please do what is best for you OP and protect yourself, or do what is best. You don’t have to justify it to anyone. It is a pandemic, it’s not an overreaction, other people will cope.

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897654321abcvrufhfgg · 25/08/2020 15:52

Ice cream summer; wow! All staff at my school who did not return at the beginning of June ( unless shielding) were told that they either had to be in in September or hand notice in before July 17th.

housemdwaswrong · 25/08/2020 15:53

I'm a supply teacher a d not going back in Sept er, for lesser reasons than you. I take immunosupressants. Noone will judge you, lungs are pretty vital, and immunosupressants do put you at more risk.

The school thing is tricky with it being a new school. I should think they'll be fine and get a long term supply in. I can understand your reticence though. Xx

Livelovebehappy · 25/08/2020 15:55

Obviously, always put your health first. But if you haven’t been presented with, and signed a contract yet, I assume the school can back out of employing you at all? I would guess their budget would be hit massively if they had to pay you whilst signed off, as well as a replacement.

MySaladDays75 · 25/08/2020 16:00

Ask head for referral to occupational health, she should offer this anyway. Unless you are signed off sick (notes from gp each month) you will need to take unpaid leave if you cannot work from home - the school decides this with advice from OH.

If you are signed off sick the school could choose to follow their sickness absence management policy which could result in dismissal but this process could take up to a year.

If you are signed off sick (properly, not just consultant saying it) and dependent on service you will get 6 months on full then 6 months on half pay.

Why have you waited until 25 September to tell your school this? This leaves them no time to arrange cover.

IrisJoy · 25/08/2020 16:02

I would have thought that too @livelovebehappy when this all started and I spoke to my head then and let her know I was shielding I offered to step back from the job and let them find someone else. She said that as they had made an offer they are legally obliged to stand by it.
Now I know I won't be in I will offer that again (as I assume she still can't legally do it that's why I was talking about 'resigning'). In a way I think that would be easiest all round, although it w u kd worry me about getting a job again in the future, if it would put employers off.

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Windyjuly · 25/08/2020 16:08

Only the most ridiculous person not worth listening to would judge you!

With consultant letter your water tight
Don't worry what people will think op!!

KickAssAngel · 25/08/2020 16:13

you wouldn't even need to let employers know about this. Explain your lack of work as shielding due to Covid, and (presumably) tell them that you are now fine as your health has improved/Covid no longer such a threat etc.

I'm a teacher who looks at CVs and interviews applicants, and I would consider you for a job with a gap due to Covid.

IrisJoy · 25/08/2020 16:24

Thank you @KickAssAngel that's reassuring.

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Zilla1 · 25/08/2020 16:33

OP, before you propose resigning, please see what the head/SLT propose. In the course of you trying to 'do right', you may severely disadvantage yourself. If you are happy doing that, think about the precedent set for someone in similar circumstances who can't afford to do what you propose. See what the head says. I'm not optimistic about vaccinations but you may only be a few months away from a vaccine. Please don't worry about timing, there are many for whom the shielding/at risk/exceptional risk guidance by medical condition is only filtering out now and many who've had the buck passed by their consultant to primary care. Wait and see what the head proposes.

Good luck.

HUCKMUCK · 25/08/2020 16:34

@IrisJoy

Consultant has said they are happy to write and say it isn't safe for me to be in a school. Be honest, would you judge me though?
Anyone who judges you is not worth listening to. You are following medical advice. You have had an organ transplant. Most people would be hard pushed to say you are being 'lazy'.
IrisJoy · 25/08/2020 16:37

Thank you. yes I won't offer to resign before I see what the Head suggests.

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IrisJoy · 25/08/2020 16:37

I think unpaid leave is probably fair all round?

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OrganTransplant123 · 25/08/2020 16:43

@IrisJoy I’m glad the HT was supportive. I really wouldn’t worry about employers being put off in the future. Any decent employer is going to be understanding.

I’ve had a liver transplant and have never thought to mention it at interviews so you’ve gone beyond by letting the school know your health status in advance.

WombatChocolate · 25/08/2020 16:44

It is difficult. You haven't signed a contract but as you say, they are saying that the offer of the job stands.

Employees are entitled to be off work and to be paid as their contract states, when their health prevents them from working and they have medical evidence for it. Usually your entitlements are lower in the first 2 years of employment, but often in teaching you have continuous service if moving from one employer to another directly without a gap. I would check this.

There are 2 issues. One is how you feel about it and one is the legal position.

If you feel you can't accept a job you haven't started knowing you can't work from the start, then offer them the chance again to rescind their offer. You don't have to do this but if you feel better doing this you can. It shouldn't be determined by what people on MN or what you think other staff memebers will think but your own personal feelings.

Know that legally you are probably entitled to officially start the job on sick leave. Councils are often very hot on the letter of the law and you can involve your Union if in any doubt about their handling...or it would be a good idea anyway. This happens at non-Covid times and employers find it a bit tricky but is just something businesses have to suck up. People accept a job and then find they are pregnant and by the time they are due to start are about to go on maternity leave, or an illness comes on or whatever...Places of employment have to meet the law and be financially prepared for the costs and difficulties which come with this.

Of course, good, clear and early communication makes a big difference. If this information was available or likely a few weeks a go and you didn't spell it out to them, being told the week before school returns will no doubt piss people off....not about the issue itself of you not returning, but the late notice. But sometimes it's not possible to know these things in advance and they just do happen at the most inconvenient time and again employers have to deal with it.

You don't need to stand down from the job if you are entitled to it and to be paid. Step aside from being worried about what people think....it really isn't the issue. All you can do is to communicate honestly and clearly and in good time (and you know if you've done this) and be co-operative and also to look out for your own rights and interests and make sure there are people alongside you who will do the same...because unfortunately, if you don't do it yourself and have others alongside you, sometimes people will override those rights.

Try to go the your meeting with suggestions of things you can do from home to be useful to benefit the other staff and reduce their workload in other areas. Having some sense of the timescale involved will also help. Be proactive and not passive.

Dancingdeer77 · 25/08/2020 16:44

I don’t think it is really. You haven’t chosen this! It’s akin to being unwell. I would imagine they need to get Oc health to review it and say what you CAN do. Don’t write yourself off. I would hate for someone to not be paid because they had the misfortune to be very medically vulnerable. If you don’t seek safe work for yourself, do it for other teachers in the same boat who don’t have the financial option to take unpaid leave.

Zilla1 · 25/08/2020 16:45

Again, OP, wait to see what the head says. I don't want to sound like a barrack room lawyer but don't offer unpaid leave. I've not thought it through but the disability discrimination impacts and precedents for others might not make it 'fair all round'. As PPs have said, the NHS has invested in you and you may be able to offer decades of teaching. Just wait to see what they propose. You don't know what funding has or will be offered centrally and how much the LA or academy trust or whatever your local structure can accommodate this.

Just make it clear how you've just had this confirmed by your consultant and you'll advise them as soon as you hear about any changes to your advice. We're having many such discussions in primary care.

Good luck.

Bioprepper · 25/08/2020 16:46

As a teacher I’d be a bit disappointed yer but I’d understand you’ve got to do what’s best for your health. As a parent I’d be heartbroken if my child had grown fond of their teacher then I’d have to explain she’s died due to Covid.

Of course you must put yourself first! I wish you the best of luck. Say safe x

Zilla1 · 25/08/2020 16:48

It's anecdotal, OP, and I don't even know if it will encourage you either way but in my small local primary, 1/3 of the staff are continuing to shield from September based on medical advice. None are proposing to do this unpaid and all are being supported by the head. The sky hasn't fallen in on this LA (rather than academy) primary.

Good luck.

WombatChocolate · 25/08/2020 16:53

I echo the points about not being too fast to offer to resign or other solutions. See what the Head has to say...it is up to them, not you to find ways to make it work.

And it's a good point about it being irrelevant about whether you can afford to be unpaid or not. The school is responsible for its finances and ensuring it can deal with the unexpected...it really isn't your responsibility. Your responsibility lies in being upfront and co-operative and essentially getting better. The school or academy or council will have procedures in place for exactly this circumstance and it isn't up to you to come up with those procedures. Let them tell you what the policy is in this situation. You can be friendly, co-operative, even apologetic if you want to be (although it's not necessary at all....you have nothing to apologise about your health, although acknowledging inconvenience briefly isn't a bad idea....don't keep repeating it or abasing yourself) and then go through the channels already there......ask to see the policies written down for clarity in your own mind. No doubt before your meeting the Head will be looking at those and probably seeking advice.

Try to avoid agreeing anything at the meeting that might end your contract or reduce your terms and entitlements. Make it a gathering information meeting and ask for everything in writing too so you can go away and consider, promising to get back to them speedily about anything where there might be options. Do not agree to anything until you've had time to think and to show any paperwork to your Union or a legal adviser. This really must be dealt with in a careful and considered way and decisions not based on your gut feeling that the school is in a bad position or that unpaid leave might be fair or resigning the best thing. Wait and consider.....and then decide what to do.

MySaladDays75 · 25/08/2020 16:57

Don't resign - there will be a work around.

MySaladDays75 · 25/08/2020 16:58

WombatChocolate gives good advice.

Schmedz · 25/08/2020 17:01

Teachers seem to be far too willing to put others' 'needs' above their own.

Without your health, you can't work anyway, so PLEASE take your consultant's advice and prioritise your own health. The school should have a policy about sick pay and a chat with your Head is essential.

Why should you risk your life to do a job?