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Single mum, decent salary, please help me save!

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Decentsalnotime · 22/08/2020 11:55

Single mum
2 primary children
£65k salary (take home around £3700 a month)

After everything (and I mean everything... mortgage, bills, Insurances, car & house running costs, holidays, clothing, any beauty stuff, birthdays, school and children related stuff etc etc), I am left with Circa £1000.

What to do? Over pay mortgage? Pension? Or savings?

I have £150k on mortgage left (about £450k equity)
No debt
Small pension pot (about £50k) But currently not making any contribution other than most basic employer contribution
Savings of £15k

No family or ex Support at all

Would so appreciate guidance!

Many thanks

OP posts:
ShandlersWig · 22/08/2020 13:15

50/50 pension and mortgage. Your 67 year old self will thank you.

GOODCAT · 22/08/2020 13:16

Pension definitely as your pot is so small. You will earn far more than by overpaying your mortgage.

Chocolateteabag · 22/08/2020 13:16

OP do you have any critical illness cover? If you were to fall ill and be unable to work, how would you pay your mortgage & bills?

This is one example of the benefit of having an IFA go through your personal circumstances with you.

DH used to think it was only worth covering himself as I didn't work for a while (I do now!) I was then very ill and he found himself coping with work and 2 small DC's while I was in hospital for 3 weeks, then bed bound for a month after. He realised then that it was worth getting some cover for me in the event I did get something properly serious!

Without an IFA, I would still look at covering critical illness, then divide your money across building up your rainy day fund, a stocks & Shares Isa and pension

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HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime · 22/08/2020 13:19

If I had that I would put the max a month into regular savers, that way you can access it again in 12 months. That's about £300 a month with First direct.
If your children are small open a Halifax regular saver for them, it tends to have the best interest rate. £100 a month each

Then I'd split the rest between the mortgage and top premium bonds up as a 'if the shit hits the fan pot' you can get instant access (well within 24hrs) to it and have the chance of winning, when my parents had the max £35k they won small amounts every month that were more than any interest they would have got.

Reluctantcavedweller · 22/08/2020 13:44

Pension. I'd save as much as you can into your pension. Then use the rest of pay down mortgage.

Marieg10 · 22/08/2020 13:45

I would pay into a pension as long as you have other savings. Means you can reduce your reckonable income down to £50k and retain your child benefit. Given you are a higher rate tax payer then paying in gross £15k will cost you net circa £8k when taking account of retaining your child benefit.

You will then start building a decent pension pot. When the children are old enough that child benefit stops then change saving strategy

Okki · 22/08/2020 13:58

We're mid 40's and as of last year are mortgage free. In these unsettled times I can't tell you how safe we feel knowing there's no way we can lose our home. Our spare money now is split between saving for house improvements and maintenance, general savings and pension. Though we have always saved for the future and also have savings for our DC's to help them with Uni costs too. Our household income is similar to yours.

SquishySquirmy · 22/08/2020 13:58

I would make sure you have some easily accessible savings (even though these may be lower return) before tying too much money up in longer term investments.
In your shoes I would put at least some of it towards overpaying the mortgage. I have done this but kept the term of the mortgage unchanged, and it means that if disaster struck I could stop paying for a few months as I am ahead in the payments (but I think this depends on the kind of mortgage you have).

ForeverFaithless · 22/08/2020 14:06

I read this article on a very good financial advice website, I wish I had done the full calculations back when I chose mortgage over pension, years ago. My pension is too small for my age and I've been busy trying to top it up in recent years. The case study below has a different purpose but the focus on the calculations is the same.

Pension Savings Vs Mortgage Savings

I received a terrific question last week from a user, who was enquiring about pensions and mortgages. She was looking at trying to strike the right balance between both.

And let me explain what she meant by that.

She was 26 years old and the plan was to buy a property when she was 30. However, she was unsure whether she should reduce her current pension contributions, and divert them to the amount she was saving each month towards her house deposit?

Would having a higher deposit and a lower mortgage, be better because the total interest repaid would obviously be lower, as would her monthly mortgage repayments.

She reached out for help because she was trying to figure out what the right balance was, because she didn’t want to be penalised with high mortgage repayments in the medium term because of excessive pension savings in the long term.

She did caveat her question by stating, how she understood that pension savings should be the last thing sacrificed given the importance of saving early, tax relief on contributions and the fact that her future self will be very grateful that she saved as much as she could into her pension fund.

And she wasn’t wrong, but it’s important to get that fact check nonetheless, to make sure there wasn’t a pronounced difference either way, in the long or short term.

It’s important to note, that the amount she had accumulated to date along with the amount she was currently saving each month was going to be more than enough to have the minimum deposit she’d require in 4 years’ time. She didn’t need to move her pension funds to speed up her purchase, she just wondered would it be better, if she did that’s all.

She was saving €1,000 per month into her future house account and was contributing 15% of her salary to her pension, and her employers’ contribution was 5%.

She was very focused and knew what she wanted and what had to be done, she just wanted to make sure she was optimising her savings each month and making sure the right amounts were going in the right places.

So, I looked at three scenarios for her, where she’d reduce her contributions by a particular % and divert them to mortgage savings. I’d be able to look at what impact they’d have on her pension and her mortgage.

2.5%

The first reduction in her pension contributions was 2.5%.

Over time, she’d still be saving 12.5% and her employer 5%, which were two very healthy amounts combined, so would this small adjustment make any difference when she was older.

And the answer is emphatically yes, it would.

Lowering her contributions by that little ole 2.5%, meant the value of her pension fund when she reached retirement age, would be c. €192,327 lower than had she maintained the 15% level.

This reduction in fund value means her annual pension would be €7,693 lower.

I’m applying a growth rate on her pension fund of 5% per annum which is pretty conservative, but I thought it better to err on the low side.

And it’s hard to convert that €7,693 into a net monthly difference as well. It’s easy to divide the amount by 12, but that may not be the amount her monthly income would reduce by. The tax rate applied will depend on any other income she has, whether she’s married or not, what the prevailing tax rate is at the time, whether her partner has a pension, are they jointly or separately assessed etc. so a lot of unknowns which is why it’s hard to convert it to a monthly amount, but at the moment, based on her current circumstances, it would mean she’d have a lower net monthly pension of €641.08.

Had she diverted that 2.5% amount towards her mortgage instead, which amounted to €133, it would have reduced her borrowing by c. €6,516 (€133 x 48 + 1% return compounded annually)

And when I calculated this lower amount over a 30 year mortgage at an average rate of 3%, the interest saving would amount to c. €3,374.

So, when you look at the interest saving i.e. €3,374 from a lower mortgage amount, versus the interest earned had she continued to save the 2.5% into her pension i.e. €192,327, the difference is significant.

Her return on investment (ROI) is 57 times higher when maintaining pension contributions, than having a lower mortgage, so a bit of a no brainer to maintain pension contributions.

And the monthly savings achieved on borrowing a lower amount, wouldn’t move the dial much on her mortgage repayments because €6,516 would mean her monthly repayments would only reduce by €27.47.

5%

When I ran numbers for diverting 5% towards having a lower mortgage, using the same parameters I used above, the outcome and differential becomes even bigger.

Having a lower mortgage will mean interest savings of €8,508 but had she saved that amount towards her pension, it would have added €386,099 to her fund.

So, again it’s a case of €386,099 (Pension) v €8,508 (Mortgage)

And the lower borrowing amount on her mortgage wouldn’t have made a significant difference to her monthly cashflow because they would only have reduced it by €69.29.

The choice was being €69.29 better off each month right now with a lower mortgage amount, or €1,287 better off each month with a higher pension fund when she retired.

7.5%

You can probably guess it’s more of the same with this scenario, and it is.

The differential between both just gets bigger as the amount diverted gets bigger.

Moving 7.5% of her pension contributions to mortgage savings, means interest savings of €12,747 on borrowed monies, and a lower monthly repayment of €104.

But contrast that to the extra amount she would have in her pension fund if she maintained her 15% contributions. The amount is €578,426 and that would pay her an additional income of c. €1,700 at retirement age.

Clearly, in each scenario, maintaining pension contributions has a much better outcome for her, than using some of those funds towards lowering the amount she borrows, but instinctively she thought a lower mortgage might be more impactful. She was having difficulty trying to figure out the numbers between both, which is why I’m very happy she reached out for help.

Delighted when she replied to me saying, it's very helpful to see the workings across the range of examples. It makes it much easier to decide to stick with pension contributions knowing that there is such a pronounced difference in the long-term.

VanGoghsDog · 22/08/2020 14:16

I'd pay enough into pension to be a basic rate tax payer (I do this myself, though different circumstances), and then if you still find you take home more than you need top up the emergency savings as £15k is actually fairly low for your salary and outgoings.

Once you've done that, then pay down the mortgage a bit, and maybe then look into saving in shares (in an ISA if it works for you, I use one so I don't need to report on a tax return, but you don't HAVE to buy shares in an ISA, you can buy them in a dealing account - oh, and shares have nothing to do with compound interest, you don't get interest on shares).

Being mortgage free is great.

Decentsalnotime · 22/08/2020 14:26

Sorry delay

I am so grateful - thank you.

I’m going to...
Overpay mortgage £500 a month (no if I don’t overpays more than £27000 a year).

Remaining £500 will be £400 pension and £100 in to savings.

As I say - I don’t need to worry about saving for the children. Ex does full savings for children. He’s in banking and passionate about it.

OP posts:
Okki · 29/08/2020 16:59

@Decentsalnotime just want to say thanks for making me think about finances too.

@ForeverFaithless would you be able to link to that article. It's really interesting and I'd like to send it to DH. Thanks.

Sorka · 29/08/2020 20:52

OP there’s a calculator on money saving expert that calculates how much overpaying will save you in interest and by how much you’ll be able to reduce the mortgage term:

www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/mortgage-overpayment-calculator/

I quite like playing around with it. It’s amazing how much overpaying a few hundred a month adds up.

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