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Smart meter... to install or not...

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EnterFunnyNameHere · 26/07/2020 17:22

Hi,

We're with bulb and they are currently offering smart meter installation. I've never been keen as I think the original type were non-transferable between suppliers etc, but what does the collective think these days? It feels like it won't be any worse than it is now, and might even be better.... But I'm not sure if it is worth it! TIA

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EnterFunnyNameHere · 26/07/2020 22:10

Hmmm.... I'm still conflicted!

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thegcatsmother · 27/07/2020 13:27

Dcc are run by Crapita; therefore no faith in their network whatsoever, or their ability to keep data safe. They have fucked up most of the things they have been involved with.

This is from their business plan;
Supporting Ofgem’s half-hourly settlement
Half-hourly settlement (HHS) is an Ofgem-led programme
aimed at improving the way in which customers are billed
for their energy consumption. Currently consumers
are billed using estimates of their consumption, based
on profiles of average consumers rather than on actual
consumption or export in each half-hour period. HHS will
provide suppliers with the true cost of their customers’
usage in half-hourly periods and incentivise them to take
steps to help their customers move their consumption to
times of the day when electricity is cheaper to generate.

This will build on the platform provided by smart metering
to enable a smarter, more flexible energy system that
lowers bills, reduces carbon emissions and enhances
security of supply. Given DCC’s role in delivering the
data and communications infrastructure to support
the national smart meter rollout, DCC will have a central
role to play in providing the data to underpin the new
HHS process.

It's a con to make more money for the utility companies with surge pricing. It is not safe to go out and leave your machines running (my neighbour's dishwasher went up in flames without warning last week), as has a friends washing machine, so that won't work and people will be running washing machines and dishwashers at more expensive times when they are home from work.

I also found this on the Smart meters website: www.smartme.co.uk/technical.html#gsc.tab=0
My supplier says my signal is too weak?

Smart meters communicate through mobile communications and so the signal strength is an important factor to consider for installation.
For SMETS1 meters the installer will usually test on site and make a decision there and then whether to install. If there is not a sufficient signal they will usually walk away.

For SMETS2 there are more options. The communications are provided by the Data Communications Company (DCC) and suppliers can check that a premises has communications before visiting a site. Once on site they can check with a signal checking device if the signal is strong enough in the meter location. If it isn’t they can fit a number of different aerials to try to boost the signal. If that doesn’t work an external aerial or an alternative mesh communications method is available in some areas. Even then they can leave the meter de-commissioned and ask the DCC to get the communications working. (Updated: 2017-02-01)

Lostnameperson · 27/07/2020 13:42

No, there’s no benefit to the consumer & I’ve heard nothing but problems about them. A friend’s wasn’t installed properly and it very nearly set the house on fire (luckily they caught it in time).

goingtotown · 27/07/2020 13:49

I’ve had one for a couple of years, I’ve never used the plug in monitor.
I use the same amount of energy as I did previously.
The benefit for me is not climblng on a ladder in the garage to read the meters every month.

DominaShantotto · 27/07/2020 13:53

From DH - if they're SMETS2 (generally fitted in the last year) - they should be fine switching supplier.

We have one now - I've taken the display panel and hidden it cos DH was driving me fucking mad scrutinising it and boring me shitless (as you may have gathered he's a right fucking anorak about the energy market from his work) - and at least it means we don't need to periodically clear out the very high up man-crap cupboard that has the meter in and that they used to send the world's shortest meter reader around to do!

PerkingFaintly · 27/07/2020 13:54

Currently consumers are billed using estimates of their consumption, based on profiles of average consumers rather than on actual consumption or export in each half-hour period.

Confused I'm billed monthly on my actual monthly consumption, given by my monthly meter readings.

Half-hourly meter readings for individual customers have no use other than surge pricing.

bashcrashfall · 27/07/2020 13:58

We were paid £30 to get one installed a year or so ago. It has never worked (poor mobile phone signal probably). So we have a stupid meter.

EnterFunnyNameHere · 27/07/2020 14:10

Argh, it feels like it probably won't be any better then. Ours is currently in a box outside so no big deal to do monthly readings, maybe I'll just defer again. It just seems like it's going to happen at some point so maybe might as well get on with it haha

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Staplemaple · 27/07/2020 14:19

Dcc are run by Crapita; therefore no faith in their network whatsoever, or their ability to keep data safe. They have fucked up most of the things they have been involved with.

Well yes, but the point is that it has a dedicated network and isn't relying on your home wifi to communicate the data; therefore it's not a portal into your personal devices for hackers. There is also no confidential info transmitted really, at most someone if they could hack in could see when you were likely to be out of the house by your energy consumption patterns. Realistically though that's unlikely to be worth their while, opportunistic robberies by someone in the area are more likely. It isnt just about whether a network is impenetrable, but whether what it's transmitting has any value to someone, and really, I doubt it.

thegcatsmother · 27/07/2020 20:34

How universal is the DCC coverage though? Did you read the stuff about not every house is suitable for a smart meter due to old thick walls?

EnterFunnyNameHere · 27/07/2020 23:01

That won't be an issue here I don't think - mid 90s house! According to Bulb, no personal info is on the meter anyway, so even if it was hacked they wouldn't get anything... except my energy usage which in theory they could guess when I'm out... But they could probably guess that anyway, as in normal times I'm out during the working week like most!

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