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Did (do) I have toxic parents? How to overcome.

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LostAndWandering · 13/07/2020 11:12

Sorry in advance for the length.

I've noticed lately and particularly since becoming a mum 7 months ago that my "toxic parents" continue to affect me into adulthood and I often am kept up at night dwelling on my childhood. I have name changed for this but some of it is probably outing anyway.

Both of my parents were alcoholics, but no one would have known this from the outside looking in. I remember when I was around 8, a friend coming to stay the night and telling the teacher at school the next day how much wine my parents drank. My dad would frequently drink drive, even when giving me lifts places. I remember one occasion when I was a teenager, he was very drunk and put my mum's dressing gown on and dropped me off miles from where I needed to be because he didn't want to risk the police catching him drink driving.

Neither of my parents have ever hugged me or told me they loved me. They have never asked how I am. When I was pregnant I didn't see a soul for the 7 weeks I was on maternity leave (I had severe SPD) and they didn't bother with me. Until I had the baby. I remember my mum being angry that my MIL had offered to take me shopping for baby things.

They used to argue constantly and would try and pull me in even as a child, being asked who's side I was on. One particular argument that stands out I remember my dad saying to my mum "well you didn't want the kids anyway" and that really stuck with me. I remember my mum having a house party and asking me to stay in my room, drunk people coming into my room trying to find the toilet. I remember my mum would ask me not to go into the shop she worked at because she found my "scruffy" appearance embarrassing. I remember her ripping a vest apart that I was wearing as it was full of holes, in front of my family and laughing as I cried asking her to stop. My grandparents were not much different and so I suppose I can't really blame my parents? They never hugged me etc either and I remember my nan saying to me "don't you wish you looked more like your sister", whereas my other nan would just chain smoke, drink brandy, offer me cigarettes as a child and critique everyone's appearance.

When I was a teenager, my mum left her mobile phone lying around and I opened it to find explicit messages between her and another man. I asked her outright if she was having an affair and she just smirked at me. Two weeks later she said she was going to stay with a friend 250 miles away and didn't come back for two years. I feel embarrassed typing this, but the man who she was having an affair with used to send me horrible messages on social media including one saying that my mum used to give him my knickers. It didn't dawn on me till after that when my mum would come back home to visit, she would say she had left all her clean underwear back at home and asked if I had any she could have. Because of her leaving I had to drop out of college and work full time to pay the household bills, which my dad would casually decide not to pay and we ended up having gas and electric prepayment meters installed. I also did all of the housework and would come home from school and sort everyone's washing etc.

We had a family dog who needed veterinary attention as she had a skin condition and was incontinent. They never took her even when the neighbours called the RSPCA. When I moved out and into my first home with my now DH, we had to take the four family cats with us into a rental property that didn't allow pets, as my parents simply left them behind when they eventually split up and each bought their individual homes. I remember whenever my dad would come home, the cats would come in my bedroom and cower as he was horrible to them. I was holding one of them once and he came and shook a newspaper in her face so she scratched my neck badly, which he found funny. I remember feeding a stray cat when I was very young and he threw a full watering can at it. I remember missing some jabs at school because he was still drunk and threw my dog across the driveway so my mum kept us at home that day. My dad is also very racist and very vocal with his opinions - I remember when I was pregnant going for a drink with him and my sister, and him loudly speaking nastily about foreigners. The whole pub was looking at us and we asked him to stop but he got louder and louder and I had to leave as I was so upset.

I remember getting an award at school and my mum moaning about having to go the award ceremony, never once did she say well done or take an interest in my school work. I remember having very low attendance at high school and getting a letter from the council about it, as my parents never cared if I was there or not. Somehow I came out of school with As and A*s. I did self harm briefly when I was a teenager and a teacher noticed and said she was going to ring my mum, I remember pressing the receiver to end the call before she could do so, as I know my mum would have been embarrassed.

I developed an eating disorder aged 14/15 which my parents were unaware of. I used to come home from school and faint in my bedroom. I had always been underweight as a child but still my mother would encourage me when I said I was going on diets, as she would join in too. She also encouraged me to smoke and would buy me cigarettes.

Fast forward to now. I have always been painfully shy, nervous, anxious and awkward. I have no friends, low self esteem, am depressed and get angry easily. I don't feel I have ever achieved anything. I have a sister who also has the same issues coupled with severe OCD. I worry I will replicate the parenting I experienced with my own DS. When my DS does see my mum, she always asks why he isn't smiling and makes comments about how serious or stern he is, though he's actually a very giggly happy baby. She has always tried to sabotage my breastfeeding journey, insisting I switch him to a bottle and asking to babysit. When he was a few days old I broke down when she visited saying I couldn't cope. She just stared at me from the other side of the room and said "well what did you expect a baby to be like?" and again kept going on about putting him onto formula.

I'm sorry this is so long and incoherent, there is a lot more but I don't want to just endlessly type everything. I just am finding it hard to deal with and am wondering how people manage to move on, or even if I'm just being overly sensitive as I know people experience much much worse things throughout their childhood than I did. Thank you for reading.

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user1456324865563 · 13/07/2020 11:23

You sound extremely traumatised. They are not toxic, they are abusive.

I'm really sorry for everything they put you through. Have you thought about what you might want to change in your life to break free of their cycle of abuse and heal?

Would you consider trauma therapy with a therapist who has expertise in abuse as well as trauma?

Building support networks and healthy relationships away from them?

Are you maintaining a "relationship" because you feel you have to? Because you're trying to be good enough to be loved? Because you're scared of the repercussions? Because you're not ready to grieve for the parents you deserved but never had?

As an outsider it looks like you are still being abused.

And for the record, it's not relevant whether your experiences were the worst abuse any child has ever experienced. They were more than bad enough (and upsetting to read). It makes no difference to the level of trauma you've experienced or how deeply it has affected you whether other children had better or worse childhoods. It doesn't help you deal with the difficulties in your life and how they affect you to compare or minimise.

Once you start applying hierarchies of suffering to tell people they're not allowed to be affected by or talk about what's happened, you're saying that only one living person at a time is permitted to be traumatised or grieving or suffering - because you can always find a more extreme version... Which is silly.

user1456324865563 · 13/07/2020 11:25

For the avoidance of doubt, I want to emphasise that you are not being sensitive to be affected by this; you are very clearly traumatised and that is not your fault.

You didn't deserve this, you didn't cause this, and it is not your fault.

CormoranStrike · 13/07/2020 11:31

Your parents sound awful, and your academic achievements plus building a healthy family of your own are a testament to your strength.

I think I would be tempted to cut contact altogether.

They don’t deserve you.

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Cam2020 · 13/07/2020 11:32

Oh my word. I don't know what to say, except that you are an incredibly strong person to have coped with all this. You are not at all over sensitive, I've been reading your post on the verge of tears! Your parents are toxic, neglectful and abusive and no child should ever be subjected to the things you have described. I'm in no way qualified to advise you, other than to urge you to get some counselling and maybe consider dropping contact with your parents. You're brave to recognise your issues and to want to make a change.

A friend of mine who was abused as a child recently shared a poster on social media that basically said: when a parent absuses a child, the child doesn't stop loving their parent, they stop loving themselves. I think that's so true. I really hope you're able toget some help - your GP is probably the best place to start - the things you've experience and survived are greater than you can deal with on your own. Maybe look for some online support on the meantime, I think there's a thread on Mumsnet called Stately Homes that you might find helpful Flowers

shadypines · 13/07/2020 11:48

Hi Lost my goodness it sounds like you have gone through/going through a huge amount of abuse and yes if you want to say toxicity. You Sound as if you have done really well to be the person you are as you come across very well. You are obviously trying to be a really good mum unfortunately you had a shocking example of how to parent and I think you know that. You are def NOT being hypersensitive you are a human being who deserved love and kindness you are not a stone that doesn't mind being kicked! Please don't measure your experience to other people's , sure there are plenty of people with problems but you can't worry about them you have to look after yourself and your child and look to your needs. It sounds like you need some professional help here and a way of reducing contact possibly with family members who are not good for you. Take care.

SilveryWrath · 13/07/2020 14:35

Regarding your worry that you will treat your child like they treated you, I think this is very unlikely because you have awareness and are thinking about it, something your parents will never have done.
Flowers

Sunnydayshereatlast · 13/07/2020 14:39

You are under no obligation at all to let them near your precious dc...
In fact you would be negligent to do so.

Protect your dc and make your future a fantastic one - you have the start already in your brand new baby and acknowledging your dps were abusers.

LostAndWandering · 13/07/2020 15:24

Thank you all for your advice and kind words, they are much appreciated.

I have not gone NC as despite what's happened, and their lack of emotional warmth etc, we do get on although mostly through humour, and also I just don't have the courage in all honesty. I think my mum tries to make up for what happened in the past by buying things and sending me money for my son. She asks to come round at least every other weekend. My dad turns up at my house most weekends too, and in fact he turned up at the hospital the day after my son was born after ringing to find out visiting hours, and was drunk and stank of alcohol, despite me saying I'd contact him when to visit.

It's all made a bit more complicated because my mum got a job at my place of employment, where I have worked for several years and worked hard to forge a career for myself in the legal profession. She basically got the job because she named me in the interview. I said to my boss I would not be happy if they hired her but she did so and said she thought I was joking. Obviously I've never explained why, and everyone comments on how nice she is. So partly because of that I'm debating not returning to work when my maternity leave ends. I find it too draining and she would wait outside my office every lunch break etc, I find it suffocating.

Sorry for rambling.

OP posts:
Itsnotalwaysme · 13/07/2020 16:18

Look up Complex PTSD, it might be helpful xx

Sunnydayshereatlast · 13/07/2020 16:26

At the very least op never allow them unsupervised time with your dc....

ihatethecold · 13/07/2020 16:30

Oh op. This is truely awful. I feel for you so much.

This book I am linking has helped me so much in trying to work out the damage my parents did to me and really helped me create better boundaries.

www.waterstones.com/book/adult-children-of-emotionally-immature-parents/lindsay-c-gibson/9781626251700

Fanthorpe · 13/07/2020 16:39

Another useful book is Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.
The website outofthefog.website is really helpful for finding some clarity and a way forward.

You don’t have to live like this.

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