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'Reports your child has run away' - slightly weird?

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OldLace · 25/06/2020 19:25

I have a 15 yr old Ds with Autism and Anxiety (no EHCp)
For the last 2 years he has had an on / off 'relationship' with a girl, ('A') initiated by her. A has no SN / SEN I know of but has had a difficult start in life and is very angry, with Mothers in particular (hers abandoned her and she is frequently upset about it, poor thing).

Ds doesn't seem able to tear himself away from A although she often treats him badly (he is bullied at School re his tics and ASD and A will incite / exacerbate that and mock him when in the mood). Staff have acknowledged that he has a long history of being 'friends' with people who actually treat him very badly.

On Tues Ds had his 1st half day back at School since before lockdown (he was sent home a week early as he was having fitting episodes which have since largely abated. GP is looking into whether they are 'merely anxiety' or epilepsy related). All good Tues pm.

Yesterday he seemed low in the morning. He'd taken a sandwich lunch into his room and I'd been busy with his sister when I noticed an hour later that he wasn't around, and his lunch was untouched.
Sometimes, when he is down or frustrated he goes for a long walk. We are rural, he is safe and it does him good. The only caveat is that he lets me know he's off / checks in via text. I texted him R U OK? and got a reply 2mins later: 'yes'. So, I assumed all fine.

Then A appears in my garden upset, out of breath, 'I think DS is going to kill himself'. I take her in, sit her down with a glass of water, ask her to explain. She shows me her phone which has a msg from Ds an hour previously to her saying: 'would you be upset if I died'. I A: its OK, I had a text from him just 5mins ago. We chat a bit and A says: 'we are back together'. I look surprised (she has 'dumped him' countless times and they've been 'split up' for at least a year) and she says: 'you don't like me'. I say: 'no, its not that, but you have in the past been unkind to Ds and I don't like it when anyone is unkind to my kids'. She says: 'its not him, its me, I get upset cos of my Mum, but I lash out at him'. I say: 'I know, you've had a bit of a rotten time from what Ds has said, I am sorry, but it sounds like you have done lots of growing and understanding how it affects you and I'm really impressed at that'. We have a quick hug, and I get the biscuits out and we dive in.

Ds arrives home, looks a bit worried to see A there. We have a chat all three of us. Turns out he's been worrying about some minor thing he thinks he did about 5 years ago. It is really trifling but it is part of his ASD / Anxiety that he ruminates and worries and this has happened before, identically, as he finds social things very puzzling.

They chat in his room for a bit, I go to make some pizza for tea.
A comes into the kitchen and asks me for the Senco number at School as she says she thinks DS needs to speak to him. I say, it's fine, we've chatted about it, unless there is anything 'new': - No.
I ask Ds if he wants to call Senco and he says No need, all fine.
I tell A shes' welcome to stay for pizza but she's off home as her Dad is bringing her a new phone home.

Today I get a call from the Senco that the Head 'has been contacted by the Head of another School' to say that DS has run away, so it's a safeguarding call.
I explain that he's fine, was low yesterday and went for a long walk as is his habit, checked in by text with me, and is sitting at his PC playing Minecraft with his sister, happy to hand phone over.
I do ask which Head reported Ds missing to his Head (as that sounds weird?) and SEnco says she doesnt know.
I comment that A was here y'day worried abou Ds and that she seemed keen for School to be involved but Ds himself was not fussed. He will be in School next week and is in regular contact with Caamhs for some anxiety work and the referral re the fitting / spasming is ongoing too. I hand the phone over to Ds who has a short chat with the Senco.
Senco asks to speak to me before he rings off and says he feels the A is 'very helpful' to Ds. I say I'm not so sure. Ds himself has said that A is 'always there' when he has the fitting / anxiety episodes (85% reduced at home) and that A has been telling him who else he can be friends with. Senco says perhaps we can have a meeting re next year and supporting him, including the relationship between him and the girl. I am aware that School feel A is a 'good thing' for Ds and she may be but I am uncomfortable about some aspects of it, eg on one past occasion School suggested that A accompany ds home on the bus after a 'fit' (its 19miles on a public bus and they are both 15 so I didnt think this was right and collected him myself).

I see that School had to make the call and I am glad they did.
I am also glad that Ds and I were able to reassure them he is fine (for now, obvs). So that is all good. The 'other Head' thing is odd but, hey, the important thing is that the grapevine worked and they checked he was fine and most importantly that he is.

But I feel a bit twitchy about A's involvement, and more to the point School's seeming reliance on her to 'support' Ds? Am I misreading it?

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BeKindOrBeQuiet · 25/06/2020 19:32

I think any individual who is keen on helping your ds is not a bad thing, as long as she's not making him feel bad and belittling him.

From what you've said it sounds like she's in need of some tlc herself, but at the age she is she's bound to make poor decisions and choices from time to time (as we all did at that age)

I think it's great the three of you seem to have a relationship where you can all talk openly and honestly. I'd keep going with that

CircleofWillis · 25/06/2020 19:47

It is possible that you DS is able to tell his girlfriend things he does not share with you. It is also possible that she is catastophising. I would have been worried about getting a text saying "would you be upset if I died" from anyone I know and I think A did absolutely the right thing contacting you about it.
Can you have a frank disussion with her about her treatment of your DS and how it isn't appropriate? You say she has had a difficult start in life; it may be that she is modelling what she experienced at home.

OldLace · 25/06/2020 19:51

I agree that A did the right (and brave if she thinks I dislike her) thing by coming to check on Ds. it cant have been nice getting that text.
I said both of those things to her yesterday.

Yes I am sure Ds tells his friends things he doesn't tell me.
That would be age appropriate and part of his independence.
I am pleased he has got to this stage.

BUT: past (and recent) behaviour by A has been physically mocking him, calling him disablist names, taking his things, and hitting him.

I am keen that School keeps an eye on this and my worry is that they seem to want to support the 'relationship' and give her quasi adult responsibilities.

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OldLace · 25/06/2020 20:01

And its not really A that's the 'problem' as if it wasnt A it would be someone else. It's that he is VERY socially immature and School have described him as Vulnerable previously.
I hope there is a way of helping him with more social skills / scaffolding.

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Bluetrews25 · 25/06/2020 20:14

Have you heard of (hope I get this right) psychogenic seizures? Caused by stress, not epilepsy. Did you mean that he gets these when with A, but rarely gets them at home? - that's how it seemed to me.
So, is A causing the stress which triggers the seizures? So she's always 'usefully' there, but it might be her who is causing them in the first place?!
Treatment for these seizures is psychological, not medication.
I understand up your wariness re A.

OldLace · 25/06/2020 20:39

Hi Bluetrews25

He had one isolated incident aged 8 (fell to floor, spasms, vomited, paramedics called - at School in a very stressful situation)
Since then nothing until 2 years ago (when he moved to High school) and it has been gradually worsening. It is definitely linked to stress but his Psychiatrist (he gets meds for anxiety) wants to rule out epilepsy as it is quite severe (School say they cant keep him safe)
I was called to collect him 4 times in 5 days in his last week.
He was on the floor, apparantly convulsing. Staff were rattled.
At home he has had perhaps 2 short episodes in 12 weeks.

I wonder if A gets a bit of a self esteem boost from being his 'helper'. I have wondered if she is unconsciously making his anxiety worse as she is with him EVERY single time at School (tho not at home, obvs)
But, like I say I don't want School to use any another 15 year old as his 'helper' and for work to be done to help his social resilience so whether it is just stress or stress and epilepsy, he can experience less of these episodes. He finds them exhausting and is terrified of having more at School as he gets bullied even more because of them.
Sadly, A has often been one of the ones calling him: 'Spaz' etc
Sad

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ktp100 · 25/06/2020 20:51

You're right to be cautious and should definitely make school aware of all of your concerns re A. As a teacher of teenagers, I can say that sometimes relationships between pupils can be very different out of school compared to in school, so they should be kept aware so they can keep a particular eye on things. I would try to keep lines of communication very much open and positive with the Senco, who will be able to ensure class support are watchful also, if needed.

It sounds like the Senco is eager to put measures into place to support your son, which is wonderful. An EHCP would be a great help as you can make sure your sons vulnerabilities to other children is included. I do think it sounds like A also needs some support, though. It might be worth asking the Senco if the school pastoral lead is aware of A's background and how this sometimes manifests. Unfortunately kids who are hurting very often lash out and hurt others, so the school being aware of her meaner behaviours is very much necessary.

Really hope the school supports you in this, OP.x.

ktp100 · 25/06/2020 20:53

Just read your last post, OP. Make sure you make the school aware of the name calling and your fears that A gets some sense of importance from acting as 'carer'.

Make sure that everything you raise is logged.

x.

SionnachGlic · 25/06/2020 21:48

It seems like A is taking alot of responsibility & I'd be a bit concerned, as you are OP, that school is conveniently encouraging a role for her. But also there is that niggle that she might a bit (or alot) like feeling important & needed. How does your DS feel tho about her joining in the name-calling...that is not either kind or supportive? And why did he send a text asking would she be upset if he died'? Did you ask...I know he was upset about something & dwelling on it but does he not realise the terror that a text like that would trigger?? He is a bit young too at 15 for longterm/serious maybe? You are right to keep an eye on this relationship. And if I were A's parent, I'd be watching out very carefully for her interests too...I'd be very upset that she was in a state & rushing over thinking he may be suicidal. Maybe if it was A that got Head of school involved it is because she is feeling out of her depth & a bit helpless as to what to do. You seem to be able to process it all very capably & manage stress elements fantastically (irt her dashing it talking of suicide...I would be frantic), but she is 15. If you could just be certain she is good in the scenario & not feeling pressure to stay involved.... maybe school can help if you raise it all...

OldLace · 26/06/2020 07:47

thank you for further posts

Yes, 'the responsibility' should not be placed on any 15 yr old, esp 'A'

I guess I should talk to him about sending texts like that, but I am loathe to make him feel that he can't 'reach out' to anyone if he feels like that. I have repeatedly said to him (and A) that if they feel bad they can tell their friends but NEED to also tell an adult (any adult!) as many things are too hard for a 15 year olds to figure out themselves

Yes, he is 'too young' for a relationship. Although he is 15, he is due to his ASD, socially about 12 at most I should think?

He thinks it's okay that A calls him 'a Spaz' as 'everyone does so why wouldnt she?'. His pastoral lead says that he struggles hugely to understand the concept of a friend and is socially very vulnerable.

I have the option to move Schools (current one is not good in many ways) but he hates change and it seems a bit 'scorched earth'' re this.
And as I say, he will come across another 'A' at the next school - it's going to be an issue for him ongoing and he will need support :(

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SionnachGlic · 26/06/2020 09:02

I'm sure there are many factors to be weighed up irt the school choice but sounds like from the call you received yest that present Head is caring & trying to support.

And I understand about your DS needing to have support & that he can reach out...but it can be done conversationally too or a one to one when you can understand nuance & context....an alarming text out of the blue can impact hugely on another person...as you saw from A's reaction yest... quite unfair on her, I think.

You sound like a devoted mother & I hope, with all the support you give, that your son flourishes.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 26/06/2020 09:41

I don't think A is being helpful at all. She stresses and isn't nice to him him at school he has stress induced seizures and she gets to be important. She has her own problems from the first post, but I think she is not a very nice person involving herlself with a vulnerable person and bigging herslef up to they school so that they think she is being helpful and good for your Ds, when she is causing a lot of his stress.
As you say, without her around and no school, he's had 2 seizures in 12 weeks, what more proof do you need.
I'd move him and cut her off.

kimmyst · 26/06/2020 13:12

I personally would be worried about 'A''s intentions. I would be worried about coercion & what she really gets out of their relationship/ friendship!

OldLace · 27/06/2020 12:18

thanks again.

Ive had a couple of days distance now and its clear to me that he will need significantly more scaffolding in his social interactions than most kids (due to the ASD). Hopefully, he will get there. I need support from school as he is already in a difficult place there as A is pretty much his only friend and he has been bullied badly.

He intends to move schools next year anyway as it's an awful school academically (and she is moving 60m then so 'why stay' he says!)
so if I dont think that School help will be forthcoming (or at least they will stop promoting her as his 'helper' / their relationship in general) I might cut my losses and try and move him over the summer.

I am loathe to do this as all change is very hard when you have ASD and I worry he will interpret it as me moving him away from her.
It's not so much her, its the dynamic, and he will come across it more than once I am sure, but its bad news for this year in particular I think.

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