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Thread 3 shielding chat

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AuntieSocia1 · 19/06/2020 17:39

I hope this unimaginative thread title doesn't put off all the amazing posters from this group!

As we transition into this new phase things could get interesting....

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Egghead68 · 22/11/2020 10:32

@MarieVanGoethem

They’re now working on an alternative for people who’re not able to be vaccinated at all due to immunosuppression, which sounds pretty positive...
That’s great @MarieVanGoethem.

I think I’ll be ok with the normal one. Hoping to get it soon as am NHS staff (doesn’t look like I’d get it as a shielder for a while).

MarieVanGoethem · 22/11/2020 13:31

It all seems a bit unclear on what the possible limits might be RNA-jab-wise (especially given applications in treating cancer, though again, not sure if it’d be used in someone whose immune system wasn’t playing) but at least one of the jabs is “normal” (as it were) & I’d assume any shielders who can have [eg] the flu jab would be a priority for that.

It’s all a bit frustrating not to just... know... isn’t it? Or have some vague idea, at least, of what might be going to happen.

Teaistheanswer · 23/11/2020 17:15

Hello all Smile
So the briefest of mentions from Boris in parliament this afternoon saying that we'll be issued with new guidelines for the three tiers and keeping safe over Christmas. Wonder when they'll be issued then? Probably as we're on our way back to work after lockdown! My school currently has two thirds of the classes isolating...very relieved I am working at home!
Hope you are all keeping safe and sane Smile

FuzzyPuffling · 23/11/2020 17:25

We'll be keeping safe by staying in and seeing no-one! No change from the past 9 months. But it is OK. We're safe and fine and had a lovely walk in the sunshine this afternoon. We have food in the house and people on zoom/what's app, and actually life could be a whole lot worse.

And I am no Pollyanna.

FuzzyPuffling · 23/11/2020 17:26

(Our local secondary school and one primary school have closed completely and cases are still rising round here, hence my caution. Not suggesting anyone else has to take this stance!)

Autumncolourlover · 23/11/2020 18:51

I missed the briefing, was there specific mention for shielders? I'm debating the safety and sanity of John Lewis in 3 weeks. I want to take my mum to see all the Christmassy things but not if I'm still shielding.

lab896 · 23/11/2020 19:00

Hey can I join, I got my shielding letter late (on Wednesday) I'm pregnant with a serious heart condition, so I have been at work for the last 2 weeks as normal but now off obviously!

FuzzyPuffling · 23/11/2020 19:23

Hello lab896.

autumncolourlover I wouldn't go anywhere near John Lewis at Christmas...it sounds awful! (But I hate shopping!) It is bound to be crowded.

Autumncolourlover · 23/11/2020 19:44

I've found out their quieter times but of course there's no guarantees. We would only be looking so no queuing to pay. I'll play it by ear but I'm not feeling hopeful.

MarieVanGoethem · 24/11/2020 19:02

Usual excellent standard of governmental advice re: Christmas, I see - “Here are the rules for everyone... er, vulnerable people? They can do it, but maybe they shouldn’t... to protect them...” Thanks. For. That.

Also genuinely a bit baffled by “meh, dunno if we’ll prioritise vaccinating shielders”. I totally understand them not wanting to deal with wobbly-chucking by people who already think it’s super-unfair that they’re not On The Special List; but... bleh. (To put it both mildly & politely...)

chickenshedinthesky · 24/11/2020 19:16

What's everyone in England doing after lockdown ends next week?

My boss is talking about me just returning to work as normal.

Babysharkdoodoodood · 24/11/2020 23:06

My gp and occ health have both signed me off as wfh until the new year. However, even though I'm fit to work, I've got the laptop debacle all over again. Sigh

Egghead68 · 25/11/2020 18:11

I’ll continue to wfh. I’ll try to resist the pressure to go back to work once I’ve been vaccinated unless I get the 95% effective one or until enough people have been vaccinated for herd immunity.

Egghead68 · 25/11/2020 18:13

Agree @MarieVanGoethem. Sadly it’s what we’ve come to expect from them.

It’ll be Christmas for one here. I’m not taking any risks.

Teaistheanswer · 26/11/2020 12:00

Just listening to tier announcement and my area is in tier 3. Although once again has our advice been updated as promised? No it has not....shocker Angry

FuzzyPuffling · 26/11/2020 12:49

Tier 1. I was so hoping for at east a 2. It's an invitation to general twattery, just like in the summer (when we had to stay in more than ever). Ho hum.

Teaistheanswer · 26/11/2020 14:04

I know what you mean @fuzzypuffling. I am not in the least bit surprised with my area as the cases have been rocketing over the last three weeks (in a lockdown? Hmm) but after it said in our letter that new advice would be issued and Boris said that cev would receive updated advice going forward I actually hoped that this time it would be at the same time the tiers were announced. Not like previous occasions where I'm actually in work when a letter comes telling me not to be!
Although to be honest, I am expecting nothing more than 'be very careful' as usual.

chickenshedinthesky · 26/11/2020 14:11

@Teaistheanswer, isn't it frustrating?

I know my boss will be wanting me to shrug and just go back into work. My area is going to be Tier 2, but we're surrounded by Tier 3s, including Bristol.

I'm able to do parts of my job from home, but I work in a school and I know how stretched they all are. Timely updated guidance (rather than an email the night before lockdown) is what's needed.

Teaistheanswer · 26/11/2020 14:20

You are so right there @chickenshedinthesky it is really frustrating. At the beginning of this week six out of nine classes were self-isolating at my school! But I still feel awkward being at home. I've done whatever they have managed to get to me work wise but as I'm usually covering across my whole year group everyone else has had to take on extra which makes me feel really uncomfortable. All that being said my home class has been out twice now which is rather concerning and that was before the cases shot up.

chickenshedinthesky · 26/11/2020 17:15

@Teaistheanswer, I know exactly what you mean! Everyone is so stretched at the moment, it's impossible not to feel guilty.

Has your Head/ line manager mentioned anything about what happens after this second lockdown? What do you think you'll do?

Teaistheanswer · 26/11/2020 17:24

My head is currently self isolating after she herself had to help out in a bubble that is now isolating! Not heard yet but my teacher is presuming I will be back on Wednesday. However, I am staying put in one class by the look of it rather than the year group which is a little better.

MarieVanGoethem · 26/11/2020 17:44

It’s dreadfully frustrating, isn’t it? I am very lucky in that I’m not well enough to work not a phrase one often hears so I’ve at least not the stress of trying to navigate workplace [lack of] accommodations. Trying to make benefits that weren’t raised when UC/JSA were stretch to cover the extra costs is a worry though - ASDA didn’t resume free delivery for shielders for Lockdown 2 & at £4.50 a time Tesco is now prohibitively expensive. That’s without the whole rising cost of food situation - greatly exacerbated by the shopping complications that result from my immune system thinking what it needs to respond to are Really Serious Threats like, um, ginger. And The Dread Cinnamon. I mean, it might take me out with the Evil Villain (especially if it’s happened across a minute fraction of a trace of something that once saw some milk Hmm ) but what’s a bit of collateral damage, right? Obviously if I get an actual Lurgy I’m on my own though, because Constant Vigilance & Preparation For Fighting Allergens To The Death. Possibly I am a bit grumpsomefrustrated about still needing to be on oral steroids because pollen season has segued into mould season and also I am allergic to my cats and seemingly more so than usual just now...

Sorry, let there be abrupt silencing of the tiny orchestra of self-pity with best channelling of Stephen Cleobury but Withering Glare only, no mean comments - it really is wretched for people who’re stuck in a kind of quasi-Damoclean work situation with it clearly not being safe but no actual useful help/support from anyone. The government are vastly too willing to trust that the single strand of whatever measures might have been scrabbled together in schools, for example, will hold - & willing to push “choice” onto individuals they sent a letter to earlier in the year saying “if you catch this thing you’ve had it; & as we don’t want you clarting up the NHS in your protracted death throes, please stay indoors for several months...” And of course we then got the subtext message of “oh & enjoy the blame for wider lockdown, you can now be multipurpose goats you lucky things...”. Yes. A choice. Absolutely. Traditionally one shouldn’t really be asking people to opt-out of flinging themselves into the crocodile pit though. The government are meant to protect us from the crocodiles. Although the current government seem the type to be getting backhanders from the crocodiles as they use the crocodile pits to reduce prison overcrowding; cut NHS waiting lists; reduce anti-social behaviour; & probably get rid of some business rivals, people they didn’t like at school, and SpAds who fall from grace... Please say no to crocodiles mes amies. Even little croclets of whom you are fond. As it were. If you throw my mangled metaphor at a [line] manager you can probably go on to get signed off on grounds that author is clearly crumbling under COVID-19 [di]stress without being questioned... Glach. I do hope all of you are able to keep yourselves safe so.

We’re back to Tier 2 here. I can’t believe there were people trying to suggest different parts of London should be different Tiers. With people having to travel all across the city for work & study & so many homes with no car & journeys too far to walk/cycle so they have to use public transport? Apparently the list of people absolutely lost the run of themselves in Lockdown 2 includes some MPs as they numbered amongst the buckeejits advocating for this. No thought either to the fact that not only will people be doing their “legitimate” shopping & Christmas shopping (as it were) we’re bound to get people thinking it’s still a fine plan to be traipsing in to town when they’ve no need because they’re after looking at the lights or the tree or they thought they’d “take advantage” of Oxford Street being quiet. It’s quiet for a reason, how is it that people see it as in invitation?!

Maybe we’ll get some festive!guidance on Christmas Eve. You know, too late to be any actual use, but the government can still bray loudly about all the Support they’ve provided Hmm

My Daddy & my stepmother want me to go to them if it’s at all possible. I really want to go, but it is that question of Risk. Find myself thinking “if I were to eat by an open window at least 2 metres away from them; & I wore one of my N99 masks the whole of the rest of the time I was there...” well I mean, sounds like a fabulous celebration & I can totally understand the clamour for my company...

Honestly, I think the time has come to just put Larry The Cat in charge. He genuinely couldn’t do a worse job, after all...

FuzzyPuffling · 26/11/2020 17:57

Aw Marie...yes to Larry the Cat. (Although wouldn't you be allergic to him too?)

He'd vote for free Dreamies, right to roam everywhere, and obligatory cuddles. Thank goodness for cats!

I'm in Tier 1. I wanted 2. It will be a bloody free for all here.

MarieVanGoethem · 26/11/2020 18:41

Ah yes Fuzzy, but I could be allergic to our Feline Overlord from a nice distance, rather than having to Have Words about sneaky attempts to groom me (they know they’re not allowed to, but they also love me & wish to express this by tidying me up as well as blink!kisses; rubbing their fuzzy little faces all over any bit of me/things that smell of me they can get to; snuggling with me; bringing me Favoured Toys; squeaking for me just to check I’m Still Here...) Hmm Thankfully I’m not drastically allergic to cats - hence owning the wee dotes. There are definitely patches where feeling as if I’ve been thumped in the sinuses seems rather unnecessary though, given the whole “taking medication” & “grooming cats to minimise their weaponised floofspittle” thing. It’s a good thing my cats are devastatingly cute really. (Looks, brains, charm/willingness to “defend” me despite being in a blind panic [silly catlet...] frankly they are vastly superior to an awful lot of humans I know...)

My blond cat would like Larry to ensure pet food companies stop sticking sugar in their vet food. There is no need. Scoundrels... Just what a cat with renal issues needs, to end up having to have teeth removed despite brushing & food granules & stuff in drinking water. Would be more useful than what the government have managed for shielders...

Oof. Am sorry you’re stuck anticipating people gallumphing about by you as if determined to drive you up to needing a higher tier.

Teaistheanswer · 26/11/2020 18:52

They've updated the guidance but I'm rubbish at linking things. It's on gov.uk under '2 December guidance on shielding and protecting people who are cev from covid19'
From what I can work out in tier 3 I am back at work unless I receive specific instruction to shield (as I can't do my job from home)

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