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I **think** I’m being frozen out of my job in the hopes I’ll quit

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Palmalia · 10/06/2020 13:29

But I don’t know if I’m being paranoid or not. Gut instinct tells me I’m not.

I’ve been in the job 9 months. Very quickly realised it could be 75% automated and I had a lot of free time. Sought out other work/projects/improving my skill set. Manager was very supportive of this. I ended up taking on ad hoc responsibilities a couple of grades above mine (this fluctuated according to availability).

That manager left and a new one started. They were happy to carry on giving me projects as and when they came up. Two months ago my
line manager complained to the manager that it was awkward as I was doing work above their pay grade/they couldn’t manage me properly/they wanted a chance to progress.

All ad hoc work stopped. So 75% of the time I have nothing to do. 4 weeks ago we had a review of working from home arrangements. Out of a department of 30 people 2 of us were asked to work from home. Me and one other woman who is elderly and has health problems.

I’ve been home for 4 weeks now. No contact at all from work. No work to do. I made sure I emailed both line manager and manager to say I have no work, what would they like me to do, was there anything I could help with. No reply from line manager and a mumbled “I’ll have a think” from manager.

I’m doing nothing. Nobody is checking up on me. Nobody is checking I have any output at all.

I think manager and line manager are hoping they can bore me into quitting (not likely in the middle of a pandemic/recession)

If they want me out they will have to redeploy me or pay redundancy.

What can I do here? I hate being underworked and I feel a bit pathetic and useless

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Dozer · 10/06/2020 13:31

Are you furloughed or just wfh with no work assigned? It does seem likely they’ll make you redundant, and given your short length of service you have few employment rights. Would formally ask for more work/to return, and job seek and brush up your CV etc.

Dozer · 10/06/2020 13:32

What redundancy pay would you be owed under your contract, 2 weeks?

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 10/06/2020 13:33

If you're doing all the work they want to you, I'd seriously think about doing a distance learning diploma or course in the other 75% of the time. Either ask them if they'll pay for it/arrange it, or do it yourself if you can.

Keep asking for more things to do, but if they don't give you any then at least your getting more for your CV if you look for something else in the future.

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alittlelower · 10/06/2020 13:33

So basically your manager has allowed your line manager to take over all your work?

That's appalling. What is your relationship like with the manager?
Can you phone them to talk about the fact that you are concerned that you have no work to do and the impact of this on your own career?

Eeyoresstickhouse · 10/06/2020 13:33

You wouldnt be entitled to any redundancy if you have only been with them 9 months. It is 2 years before that kicks in.

Use the time to update cv and apply for any other jobs you see? I would probably email a few times a week asking what they would like you to do so you have a written trail that you tried to get work from them. Otherwise it could come and bite you on the arse, and would be a way of them getting rid of you.

TooTrueToBeGood · 10/06/2020 13:35

Doesn't sound like the job for you, whatever their agenda is. I'd take full advantage of all that full time to skill up and find a better job.

Palmalia · 10/06/2020 13:42

I’ve been with them for nearly 5 years. In this job for 9 months. It isn’t their fault I automated it to be fair (although you do still need someone in the job just much less hours).

I’m getting completely blanked when it comes to emails. Not invited to any zoom calls. I’ve had one email from manager telling me I could book annual leave if I wanted to (generic email as we had a freeze on annual leave during the pandemic)

I’ve done two courses on udemy in my own time. I could look for some more I suppose.

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RJnomore1 · 10/06/2020 13:44

Is this a bigger organisation? Is there an HR team?

Sandybval · 10/06/2020 13:47

Is there anywhere else within the company for a sideways move? I used to manage someone who was extremely switched on and capable. She did similar and streamlined a lot of clunky processes and created a database which cut out a fair bit of work of communicating between teams as everyone could access it, it was great. Not so good for her though as she really was outgrowing the role and the level, but there wasnt anywhere really in the team for her to go. I was always busy but we couldn't secure a pay uplift and even though she was willing, I wasn't happy for her to take on work I was getting paid for, she did shadow though and collaborate on some stuff to boulster her experience. She did a sideways move to a team which had a lot more wiggle room to progress which was what she needed.

It sounds like your manager isn't treating you professionally with no comms etc, is there anyone else you can talk to in the department?

Palmalia · 10/06/2020 13:51

Yes a bigger organisation and HR team, I have considered contacting them.

@Sandybval you sound like a lovely manager and just like my first one!

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thecatsthecats · 10/06/2020 14:14

Your management are undoubtedly underperforming in their management of you, but I would give them a tiny benefit of the doubt on one matter. Feel free to ignore this if you don't think it's an accurate reflection of your circumstances, but if it's possibly true, it might explain things.

Were you asked to automate the service? Did you pitch it and get permission to go ahead? Did you see it could be done and went for it?

I ask these questions because if it's the latter, you may have inadvertently caused a planning headache. Yes, automating is better and you improved an area of business efficiency, but as operations director, I have to make long, medium and short term plans for everything that are a carefully balanced ecosystem. I only have so much to give each managee, and their projects knock on to each others, let alone the question of pay grades and authority.

By automating a service and leaving me with a lot of spare capacity, that's a credit in one way, but a task in another - someone who I'd already planned for is now twiddling their thumbs, and they may have altered the timelines of other business functions without my knowledge, causing potentially unknowable knock ons down the line.

Add in a pandemic and a lot of extra responsibility and I'm afraid I might be thinking, "well, it's her own fault she has nothing to do because I don't have the operational time to fit her back into my plans" - especially if there's a lack of trust that you won't go off on one again and exceed your instructions.

There was an absolutely classic example of this by my former manager. I was away on a work trip organised by the CEO, and someone else's line managee came and pitched to him to improve a website function. He did a good spiel, and my line manager ok'd it. Said employee did a good job.

The problem? My work trip was specifically to investigate solutions to the website function. The other employee did a good job on the parameters as he understood them, but a crap job for the parameters he didn't know or understand. The whole work piece had to be redone, and in the meantime, I had to bear the admin headache of reconciling the data (which had actually been easier under the original system!).

All because an 'improvement' was made by an employee who had more time on his hands than instructions to fill them.

(by the way - all three of those managers are history now, and I run a tight ship!)

Dozer · 10/06/2020 14:43

OK so taking into account the additional information you do at least have some employment rights while with this employer.

I would formally, by email, raise concern about your low workload, being asked to wfh when others are all in the workplace, and lack of contact, ask to be assigned work or redeployed. State that you’d been happy to do a range of work and can still be flexible/have lots to offer the organisation etc. Would copy to your manager’s manager.

If no positive action taken, would then follow the grievance procedure.

wentawaycameback · 10/06/2020 15:09

I just need to ask...what is the age of your 'elderly' co-worker? I am 60 and work full time in a very busy job role. At what does an employee become elderly?

BlueJava · 10/06/2020 15:15

Write down everything and keep a log of everything like telling your manager you have no work and the responses - with dates. Work on your CV and get it up to scratch with some letters prepared for you to send out if you need to. Then do some online courses to improve your skills so you improve your chances. I'd sit tight and wait.

MzHz · 10/06/2020 15:37

are you on full pay? if you're furloughed they can at least claim some of your wages back ,but not if you are working from home...

they can't just fire you as you have been employed with them for 5 years, but they could make you redundant at some point, and for me, this is what it looks like they will be doing.

I think Dozer's advice makes the best sense as a starting point.

Sandybval · 10/06/2020 15:43

By automating a service and leaving me with a lot of spare capacity, that's a credit in one way, but a task in another - someone who I'd already planned for is now twiddling their thumbs, and they may have altered the timelines of other business functions without my knowledge, causing potentially unknowable knock ons down the line.

Haha no one make any efficiencies in case someone is left twiddling their thumbs. I hope you don't work in the public sector.

RJnomore1 · 10/06/2020 16:41

I’d say to your manager you were going to offer to HR that you have capacity to assist elsewhere at present as you’re not being fully utilised and see what happens.

thecatsthecats · 10/06/2020 18:49

@Sandybval

Right back at you if you don't understand the value of following a business plan.

Did you bother reading my example about how an employee doing and unplanned "great job" (that actually wasn't fit for purpose)?

It's literally my job to improve business performance according to a coordinated and prioritised plan, not to herd a collection of skilled people randomly making their own independent judgements on business improvement.

Sandybval · 10/06/2020 18:56

Yes I did read it, what would you have done if he had come up to you instead of the other manager?

Packamack · 10/06/2020 19:03

I’ve been home for 4 weeks now. No contact at all from work. No work to do

Are you fucking kidding me? You're living my actual dream. Just chill out, stop rocking the boat, draw your salary and plan your next steps.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 10/06/2020 19:40

It depends what's been automated I think — if it's (say) a spreadsheet and she's an Excel whiz so it automatically pulls across/runs calculations that it didn't before, but you get the same output that gets sent on to somebody, then I don't see how that's particularly different to me inputting data twice as fast as the person sitting next to me because I can touch type and they can't.

Your example is much more of a problem though, but I would argue that it was because it wasn't complete or robust rather than because it was automated.

Noidea2114 · 10/06/2020 19:53

I'd contact HR why is it only you and one other woman working from home.
Is your team all women or a mixed team.

SoloMummy · 10/06/2020 21:57

@Palmalia

But I don’t know if I’m being paranoid or not. Gut instinct tells me I’m not.

I’ve been in the job 9 months. Very quickly realised it could be 75% automated and I had a lot of free time. Sought out other work/projects/improving my skill set. Manager was very supportive of this. I ended up taking on ad hoc responsibilities a couple of grades above mine (this fluctuated according to availability).

That manager left and a new one started. They were happy to carry on giving me projects as and when they came up. Two months ago my
line manager complained to the manager that it was awkward as I was doing work above their pay grade/they couldn’t manage me properly/they wanted a chance to progress.

All ad hoc work stopped. So 75% of the time I have nothing to do. 4 weeks ago we had a review of working from home arrangements. Out of a department of 30 people 2 of us were asked to work from home. Me and one other woman who is elderly and has health problems.

I’ve been home for 4 weeks now. No contact at all from work. No work to do. I made sure I emailed both line manager and manager to say I have no work, what would they like me to do, was there anything I could help with. No reply from line manager and a mumbled “I’ll have a think” from manager.

I’m doing nothing. Nobody is checking up on me. Nobody is checking I have any output at all.

I think manager and line manager are hoping they can bore me into quitting (not likely in the middle of a pandemic/recession)

If they want me out they will have to redeploy me or pay redundancy.

What can I do here? I hate being underworked and I feel a bit pathetic and useless

They wouldn't have to pay any redundancy as you've been in post less than 2 years.
PeachMoon · 10/06/2020 23:01

@SoloMummy She said later that she's been in the company 5 years, just 9 months in this particular role.

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