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Surely, repeating this school year is the only way?

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YardleyX · 10/06/2020 07:14

In what world would it ever have been thought an option to just finish school for the year in March, and then carry on to the next year as though nothing’s happened?!??

Some schools have worked exceptionally hard to continue educating during the pandemic, but official line from the government is that the “curriculum is suspended”.

Therefore, unless the entire curriculum is being re-written, all the way up to and including A level, how can there possibly be an expectation for every child in the country to just ‘move on’ in September?

Year 11 and Year 13 could move on. Impact would therefore be no schools have a Year 11 this year, and some provision needs to be made in order to accommodate this years Reception intake.

Hardly ideal, but better than an entire generation of children falling so far behind, and in lots of cases probably never catching up.

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YardleyX · 10/06/2020 18:47

It works in many other countries?!

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BellsaRinging · 10/06/2020 18:48

I do understand this is a complete issue. Personally I favour the starting the school year in Jan solution, although all suggestions are imperfect. What I dont get it the argument that it's unfair to force another year of schoolng into children, as if education is something to be endured. Surely it should be the opposite? And if it's a choice between some children who have covered work over the last few months repeating some of it whilst others learn it and those who havent had any teaching being massively disadvantaged, potentially for life because of the missed work at a key stage compared to their peers, my vote is for some bored kids for a few months.

SomewhereEast · 10/06/2020 19:35

From my personal POV I think it would be unfair to DCs who have been trying to stick with homeschooling. I think my two would be bored to tears repeating it all. I wonder if the government could move everyone up a little later though? Let the kids have the first half term back in September in their 'old' classes say?

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Blackbear19 · 10/06/2020 19:47

In other countries where kids don't start school to 6 or 7, how many years of school do they have?

Scotland starts school at 5 (on average)
7 years of Primary and 6 years of Secondary.

England starts school at 4.5 (on average)
7 years of Primary and 7 years of Secondary.

LittleFoxKit · 11/06/2020 10:42

@Blackbear19

In continental style school systems (eg were formal lessons start at 7, and pre 7 they use more nursery style learn through play) they still finish school at 18. It works because a 7 year old can learn in a month what it takes a year to teach a reception or year 1 class.. it's to do with maturity and ability to learn which increases with age. That's not to say they dont learn pre 7, as if a child wants to read, write or do maths they are still encouraged to do so, but its child led rather then expecting very young children to endure formal learning.

EmperorCovidula · 11/06/2020 10:47

It’s just one term. When I was at school it was pretty normal for kids to miss a term while visiting family abroad. They were all fine.

minielise · 11/06/2020 11:05

I’m a secondary teacher and I’m not worried about catching kids up, year 7 and 8 I don’t think there will be a problem with as some non essential topics can be cut out - these are taught to create a love of the subject and to link with other subjects across school rather than being essential.

My year 10 group would be offered targeted intervention anyway in year 11, I imagine this will carry on as normal - we usually go in a couple of days over half term to do extra revision, this will probably be a couple of extra days now alongside after school revision.

My year 9 group have missed a lot that would have benefited them, however GCSEs are designed to be taught over two years, in the past we’ve had kids swap GCSE options in year 10 after doing it for a year already and they’ve been fine, they’ve not needed to catch up because part of learning is recovering things to make it stick.

The work I’ve been setting is mainly revision of what we have already done so that they don’t forget it, I’ve not wanted them to learn something new because it disadvantages those that can’t do it.

Ideally now, we will be back in September. If we aren’t the exam grade boundaries will reflect any gaps in knowledge - unfortunately as a country we learn to be given a number at the end of secondary school as opposed to learning for the benefit of having knowledge, but that’s another matter!

I do think however we should look at putting on activities for kids to assist with their mental health, for example small art groups they can attend or even a drama club style thing. We could focus it on very small groups and activities that tend to be extra curricular so that they have the opportunity to be around none family members and back in school buildings - not necessarily weekly more ad hoc so that it is easier to manage

StopMakingATitOfUrselfNPissOff · 11/06/2020 11:34

@minielise what a great post! Thank you for some rationality

DobbyTheHouseElk · 11/06/2020 12:14

It’s not one term. It’s been slightly more than one and a half.

Kazzyhoward · 11/06/2020 14:10

It’s not one term. It’s been slightly more than one and a half.

And even if some go back part time in September, that's still another term of no/disturbed learning upto Christmas, so potentially 2 1/2 terms or nearly a full school year. They may not even be back full time next January if we don't have a vaccine or effective treatment!

AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 11/06/2020 14:25

Some people are making massive deals out of tiny issues.

Getting back into routine?

If you went on holiday to Australia in the summer and came back two days before term started your children would get back into routine by Tuesday or Wednesday of the first week desite the time difference and jet lag.

AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 11/06/2020 14:41

I can't speak for all countries where children start school at 6/7, but in the country I have experience of it is as another poster has said - the children learn much, much faster because they are developmentally ready for formal learning by 6/7.

However they've usually attended a preschool like non comulsory set up from ages 3-6 which has been very much like 3 years of reception and covered all the independence skills and been 3 years of learning through play in small groups, just no reading and writing. Endless social skills, cultural capital (the stories and rituals and fesivals of the culture), endless social skill work, outdoor play, topic based learning abut where food comes from and the seasons and so on. Learning songs and putting on plays. Endless crafts and painting and drawing and construction toy play and puzzles.

Really counting reception as starting school and not counting the 3-6 preschool years in other countries as school is largely nonsense.

You don't get children starting school unable to tie their shoe laces unless they have a recognised relevant special need, much less unable to get changed for PE and put their own cost on.

Once they do start school it's no nonsense, full steam ahead and they are reading and writing by Christmas and expected to be using a fountain pen to write in the equivalent of cursive in year two.

They don't do the enrichment that UK schools do as part of the timetable - things like school plays etc. are extra curricular activities offered free of charge but outside the timetable, and the teaching is fairly old fashioned and fast paced.

Children have to catch up at home if they haven't finished their work in school and differentiation is a fairly new idea and not well done or done much at all - teachers who do offer differentiated work expect to be recognised for going above and beyond, unlike in the UK where it's a basic requirement.

Children as young as 6 often have an hour of homework per day and deciding your child isn't going to do it isn't an option unless you want them to fall behing and not get a recommendation for an academic secondary school after primary.

School is only compulsory for 9 years but A level equivalent means 12-13 years of school (the A level equivalent syllabus is mostly 3 years as they cover more subjects - no dropping maths or foreign languages, though they also specialise somewhat on subjects of choice, some areas have experimented with doing it in 2 years but mostly gone back to 3).

user1472151176 · 11/06/2020 17:49

Maybe some after school clubs to run to help catch up? Maybe parents could volunteer to help with that? I would be willing to go into school and help children catch up with their maths or English. I appreciate this would be easier at primary level and that there will be issues making sure adults are safe (police checks etc). However, lots of doctors and nurses came out of retirement to help with the pandemic, maybe some retired teachers could help in their local community with offering group tuition as volunteers. I'm suggesting this for when the pandemic is more under control.

scottsparkteacher · 11/06/2020 18:09

Sorry but this is nonsense. In my school we have spent years crafting a curriculum just right for the year group. I’m talking about the IPC units, the Power of Reading books with the brilliant work we get the kids to do with them. Yes you can ‘just go over maths again’ but the rest.... clearly we can’t repeat the same stuff again. We’d be scrabbling around looking for less good stuff to fill in the gaps. And I for one plan on taking my summer holidays, ie MY ANNUAL LEAVE which I’ve worked really hard for- still am working really hard for-as teachers have been working very hard during all of this, so I won’t be doing this extra planning during the holidays. Sorry that’s not meant to be inflammatory.

Vinomummyinlockdown · 11/06/2020 18:10

Having seen our school’s (brilliant) online homelearning - mainly focussed on Maths, English and reading / comprehension - that’s mainly what children need. Mine are year 4 and 5 btw. So I think primary level is a lot of blah blah day to day plus breaks, singing, French etc etc that isn’t exactly ESSENTIAL. As long as teachers can catch kids up to the basics they will be OK. It’s been 2-3 months ...... let’s not go crazy people. Primary school kids will not be ruined for life by this blip. As for higher levels - that’s another story.

ilovemygirls · 11/06/2020 18:11

I absolutely don’t agree with missing out on PE. Sport/PE is massively important for our young people too. I think extending the high school days would be the best option. Primary school children will catch up. Please don’t worry about them.
All year 7’s start high school at different levels.
I do worry about years 9 & 10 though... lots to catch up on. Exams will change, I’m sure x

scottsparkteacher · 11/06/2020 18:14

Much better to do it the Scandinavian way- later starts, better childcare provision, happier kids, less relentless testing of kids, leading to less pushy parents ramming tuition down their poor kids’ throats. I’d pay never to be sat opposite a deluded parent going on about 11 plus and their poor kid doesn’t know timetables but they’re are being tutored like crazy every day after school. Poor kids poor (£ and unfortunate) parents, bonkers system.

scottsparkteacher · 11/06/2020 18:18

Sorry one more, to the pp above, you can’t just do maths and English all day. It wouldn’t work. Why do you think most children don’t do maths in the afternoon? You have to do all of it. You have a rather cliched view of primary by the way. Come to my class- it’d blow your mind what Year 5 are capable of when pushed.

Frokni · 11/06/2020 18:18

As PP said, a paired down curriculum would be best. Focus on the core stuff and allow the teachers the chance to focus on the kids who need catching up. That is not to say the ones who did ok in Home Ed are going to be ignored but it's going to take a real community effort. Not sure if anyone else is thinking this, but I am going to approach the head (my DD is currently in reception) and ask if Flexi schooling would be considered when DD enters year 1. My DD has done great at home and I am lucky that I work from home and have support too. No one knows what the next academic year will hold but we are all in it together and repeating a year is by far the worst possible way to go forward! - based on that it's probably what the gov will do :-)

exaltedwombat · 11/06/2020 18:40

Don't worry too much. Many of you have discovered how quickly a week's worth of tasks can be completed! Education isn't a check-list of things to be 'learned' in each year. It's about development. A 6-year-old can't go back and be a 5-year-old.

Getskinnyordietrying · 11/06/2020 18:44

I heard the government suggest an educational catch up and an economic come back.... sounds to me like they will extend the school day for those who have missed this year and expect the parents to do longer working hours...

ThisIsGonnaHurt · 11/06/2020 18:45

I will be fuming if my kids had to redo a year. They have been set lessons from 855 to 340 every day since lockdown (y7 & 9). They will have missed some stuff but I can't imagine they won't catch up.

Seems ridiculous to repeat a year for the sake of 1 term even if your kids have done nothing (which shouldn't have been the case for 99% of kids). Also 2nd half of summer term in many schools is often spent doing school plays, sports days and other stuff.

Y10s going into Y11 are a different issue, I think that some allowances need to be made, I would hope that schools have been providing core work to them to keep them going and then hopefully the government will make the necessary changes to the curriculum if required. This may have to filter into Y9 but like other posters have said they won't have officially started their GCSE work yet so if they can go back September then they should be ok.

ktp100 · 11/06/2020 18:48

That's around £4000 per child extra. No way will they pay that.

ktp100 · 11/06/2020 18:50

@ThisISGonnaHurt - mine would be the same. Has worked hard every day and has absolutely covered all topics for his year. He'd die of boredom doing everything he knows already all over again.

camsie · 11/06/2020 18:53

ThisIsGonnaHurt
Totally agree.