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Omg the scenes from the London protests

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SistemaAddict · 06/06/2020 18:31

I'm just watching the news and am finding it so frightening to see the crowds, the police, the tension, the horse bolting.
I understand the desire to protest but how is this the right way to do things? I know there will be thousands of peaceful protesters among the ones causing trouble.
I'm concerned about the covid risk to everyone there especially as BAME are more at risk of the virus.

I hate confrontation and get very anxious so wanted to chat to others about this. Yes, I could switch off but I think it's important to watch and learn and understand what and why is happening.

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blueglassandfreesias · 06/06/2020 20:04

Loads more peaceful protesting than not.
Stop being daily mailish.

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GorgeousLadyofWrestling · 06/06/2020 20:06

@Wilberforce1 maybe because they have absolutely had enough and cannot take anymore. 28 years since something similar happening that kicked off the LA race riots and what has changed? Absolutely nothing. Can you imagine what that feels like?

Since lockdown, we’ve seen plenty of instances of large gatherings of people - bank holidays with loads of people in the park, full beaches, etc etc. I’ve not seen any of the vitriol for those people that I’m seeing for people protesting systemic racism as I’m seeing in this thread. I cannot keep beating myself across the head like this. Like @MexicanStyle, I feel like you’re part of some elaborate joke. How can you not fucking see it? They are angry and they have every right to be and they have every right to protest.

bengalcat · 06/06/2020 20:06

Poor officer unseated from horse - Ive had two falls off horses over the years , one cantering and one horse stopped suddenly in a group ( I kept going and was thrown clear ) - both ended with fractures .

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GetOffYourHighHorse · 06/06/2020 20:07

Mexicanstyle you can't just make sweeping statements like the protest is ok because of hundreds of years of oppression.

People are dying, ethic minorities more so. It was only last week people were demanding government gave recommendations after the BAME/Covid report was released, I'd guess being crammed shoulder to shoulder with others would not have been suggested.

To incite violence is not the way to protest, someone said a tiny percentage. It didn't look like that, it looked like many were enjoying themselves shouting abuse at the police.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2020 20:08

If you’ve assessed and feel the cause is more worthy than your risk of catching covid (which for so many, particularly young people, it is)

This is a pandemic. It's not about individual risk, it's about community risk. And BAME individuals are already at higher risk.

You say the young people will be fine, what about their parents, their grandparents. Many places in the UK have held large, peaceful, socially distancing protests (as well as all of the online activism taking place). What is happening in London is not excusable, or right. It's already giving out the wrong message and giving the all lives matter people ammunition, and will continue to do so.

ItsInTheShed · 06/06/2020 20:08

I wonder if the 4 officers arrested have any idea of the magnitude of this, what they caused!?

Ickabog · 06/06/2020 20:08

@bengalcat

Poor officer unseated from horse - Ive had two falls off horses over the years , one cantering and one horse stopped suddenly in a group ( I kept going and was thrown clear ) - both ended with fractures .
Agreed. I'd be very surprised if something wasn't broken, it looked nasty.
Flutteryb · 06/06/2020 20:08

I agree with the cause 100%, and I will do whatever I can. I am also scared that because of this governments failure to properly handle covid, it's not under control and people will die as a result of these. That doesn't mean it is more important than BLM and what it stands for, not at all. But just that people are entitled to feel that they don't agree with a mass gathering at the moment. If anyone would like to come help out in the hospital I work at in a few weeks time to help out when we are once again on our knees, you'd be very welcome.

PestymcPestFace · 06/06/2020 20:08

Is the UK really that different to the USA?
www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/a32742001/marcia-rigg-anti-racism

Has your child ever been pulled over by the police during a driving lesson?

022828MAN · 06/06/2020 20:09

MexicanStyle

Absolutely, I understand that and have seen some pretty ignorant comment from people that don't really 'get it' too. It is frustrating, it really is.

But I've equally seen some really shitty accusations thrown from the other side insinuating that anyone to question anything at the moment is inherently racist and needs to check their privelidge. This is equally harmful.

I just want everyone to act with love and compassion at the moment (probably naively). We all need to work together. Lots of people need to learn more about the BAME plight and experiences, and lots of people need to listen to people's justified concerns too.

Let's all try out best and help others to do the same ♥

Betty98 · 06/06/2020 20:09

As a white person, there is absolutely nothing we can do.
Are you joking?!??? Are you actually fucking joking??? @mumsnethq, you going to step in now?

canthisbeoveralready · 06/06/2020 20:11

BAME not more at risk of catching the virus just more at risk of dying from it if caught.

People have a right to protest. What is going on has affected the black community so deeply you would never understand.

bonsaidragon · 06/06/2020 20:11

[quote MexicanStyle]@022828MAN So you’re saying that BAME people should accept racial abuse and systemic racism for a few more months?[/quote]
Should the rest of us accept increased risk of getting the virus for the next few months because of this demonstrating?

rayn · 06/06/2020 20:12

I hear you OP.
Completely understand the protests but the timing is ludicrous. Now is not the right time when the protestors will put other people to risk. Every life matters but the protestors don't care about that!

Wilberforce1 · 06/06/2020 20:13

Jesus fucking christ it’s like talking to people with tunnel vision. There has been uproar about the people on beaches, VE Day, people in the park etc..

Do you not understand why people are looking at those crowds today and literally feel sick? 40,000 people dead, Mums, Dads, Grandparents dead, kids left without a parent, NHS workers dead and they had to protest right now?

I get that they are angry but can you not see that the people who didn’t go to the protest are angry as well?

It’s just so selfish and no I’m not part of some elaborate joke, I’m trying to work out where my family are going to live when we can’t pay our mortgage because my husband won’t be able to get back to work for fucking years.

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GorgeousLadyofWrestling · 06/06/2020 20:13

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Mexicanstyle - Fuck off Here we go again with the hundreds of years thing. None of us were around 400 years ago. We cannot change the past so stop living in it. I asked on another thread what are we supposed to do NOW. I was told to educate myself about the past and use my voice. Here lies the problem. As a white person, there is absolutely nothing we can do. Unless we all roll over and die. I teach my kids to respect everyone, to treat others as they would like to be treated themselves. Unfortunately a small proportion of the population are racist but label us all as you do. It's getting tiring. Covid is more a risk to ANY black person living in the UK NOW, not the police.
You ARE EXACTLY what the problem is. Sneery bullshit “oh here we go again with the hundreds of years of oppression.”

We can’t change the past, no. Only the problem is, the present and the future never fucking changes either! It is entirely up to white people to do something about it, starting with enough of this “oh I can’t do anything so it’s not my problem” type of attitude.

SistemaAddict · 06/06/2020 20:13

@ShutUpaYourFace I'd like to ask that question too but have noticed the aggressive retorts when anyone does. We can't eradicate the past, however much we'd like to, it seems like things will never change and I don't know how to change things except to challenge racism whenever I encounter it and I do that every time. I daren't ask how we can change things because I'll just get abuse and told to check my privilege.

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TerrapinStation · 06/06/2020 20:14

[quote MexicanStyle]@bonsaidragon Why should they care about the impact the protests will have on Covid - susceptible people when so many people ignore the systemic racism and oppression BAME people receive ffs[/quote]
But we can care about both, protests for any reason don't trump the rights of the population who have stuck to lockdown for 10 weeks to stay safe just as restrictions are easing.

The hysteria on here during the Cheltenham Festival week was off the scale but now we're expected to accept that the same level of risk. It can't be justified. How does it help all the BAME key workers to live with the level of fear they must have for the next two weeks?

RememberTheSunnierDays · 06/06/2020 20:14

To be honest OP, what’s really pissing me off is the pervasiveness of disparity between the protests and the huge, busy beaches and the Lake District. What I mean by this relates to the comments made in forums such as this, Facebook local pages, such as ‘Proper Manchester’ and I haven’t even bothered to read the racist rhetoric of the Daily Mail.

I, for one, do question if protesting in the middle of a pandemic is the right thing to do I have been isolating since the 13th March and when, as a family we would have been able to get out lock down kicked in. However, so many people have gathered in large crowds, put themselves in risky situations and owing to the beautiful weather (where’s it gone?!) en masse spent days at the beach, with little regard to anyone’s safety. Yes, there were negative comments about this, but the tone has changed massively and it’s so sad - that makes me anxious!

I was speaking to my partner today, and for context, I’m mixed raced and my partner is white, our children are very fair - one even has blue eyes. Anyway, we were discussing white privilege and for all intents and purposes my children will experience that because they are fair skinned. However, I raised the concern whilst pregnant how we would deal with racism, indifference towards them, lack of opportunities etc. if they were darker. The issue is that this shouldn’t have even had to cross or minds - it wouldn’t cross the mind of a white person.

That’s why people are protesting. The conversation should be about change, people need to recognise where they may have been unconsciously bias due to race (nobody ever wants to admit that), and companies, the government, need to ensure that those gaps are closed for BAME, as it’s accepted that BAME will generally live in socially deprived areas, have lower income roles, lack of opportunities and be treated differently by the Police. This is why they protest.

Only a person with white privilege will say “well there’s racism against whites”, the difference is the racism against BAME is deeply rooted institutionally, politically, policies work against the BAME community - this DOES NOT happen for the white community. It’s NOT systemic against the white community - that’s the difference.

This will also be raised again when the pay gap reporting into BAME comes to the fore and I hope it gets the same reaction as it did for the gender pay gap.

OP you’re right to feel anxious, you have my empathy, but I think you need to reflect on the reasons behind the march - it wasn’t “just because” they had enough of staying home, wanted to have a party, see their family. Being treated differently in all areas of your life affects the quality massively and people have chosen to take this risk in order to bring attention to policy, policing etc. To try and make a better life for them and future generations of BAME.

It’s sickening that we are still having this conversation in 2020 and trying to force through change to be accepted.

022828MAN · 06/06/2020 20:14

@Wilberforce1

Jesus fucking christ it’s like talking to people with tunnel vision. There has been uproar about the people on beaches, VE Day, people in the park etc..

Do you not understand why people are looking at those crowds today and literally feel sick? 40,000 people dead, Mums, Dads, Grandparents dead, kids left without a parent, NHS workers dead and they had to protest right now?

I get that they are angry but can you not see that the people who didn’t go to the protest are angry as well?

It’s just so selfish and no I’m not part of some elaborate joke, I’m trying to work out where my family are going to live when we can’t pay our mortgage because my husband won’t be able to get back to work for fucking years.

Absolutely!!!
MagicMoments6 · 06/06/2020 20:14

Why should MNHQ step in.

People have a right to be concerned about the effect of the protest on the pandemic. People have a right to be upset about horses being injured. People have a right to express anger at the antisocial behaviour among the protesters. People are allowed to disagree with the whole thing, if their reasoning is that it is dangerous due to coronavirus.

Fuck off trying to stop people having their say just because they don't agree with you.

If this thread goes then it'll be the second I've seen removed because you lot don't want to hear people saying anything other than black lives matter, which they do, but that doesn't mean people need to die needlessly from coronavirus either.