Omg the scenes from the London protests

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I'm just watching the news and am finding it so frightening to see the crowds, the police, the tension, the horse bolting.
I understand the desire to protest but how is this the right way to do things? I know there will be thousands of peaceful protesters among the ones causing trouble.
I'm concerned about the covid risk to everyone there especially as BAME are more at risk of the virus.

I hate confrontation and get very anxious so wanted to chat to others about this. Yes, I could switch off but I think it's important to watch and learn and understand what and why is happening.

@iwantmysay

That is quite frankly ridiculous.

Cummings did not break social distancing rules . He is fact as has been proved not even broken the covid rules. The worst he did is drive allegedly to test his eyesight which has a lesser penalty that anyone who has driven over 30 in a 30 limit . Those in glass houses etc.

No one forced people to go to the beach

No one forced people to go to the protest

Everyone is clear about the rules and they have chosen to break them . Their decision. The consequences however may be bourne by the nhs or the protesters families .

I admire the protestors. They are defending a fundamental principle upon which our society is built. They are doing it despite risks to themselves, either of sickness or of violence.

I thought the protests were largely peaceful (and there'll always be a few troublemakers, but you shouldn't focus on them).

I was immensely proud of the protestors and thankful that they're prepared to stand up for what is right.

People have been crammed on the tube with no social distancing all the way throughout the peak and more so now things are opening up....where are the threads on how they should stay at home and do not use the tube? Did all that close travelling cause a spike....seen no evidence it has

and we think the US were slow to charge the police over Floyds death???

In this case that's not true, from what's been reported it was incredibly swiftly dealt with, the officers were sacked immediately and charged within days. Obviously we don't know what the trials will bring but so far I don't think anyone can complain

@jux

Yes in normal circumstances we must always serve the right to protest peacefully .

These are not normal circumstances

[quote overworkedandstressed]**@HedgehogDramas I'm another one who will be joining with my fucking mask tomorrow. Won't be shouting All lives matter though. Will be black lives matter all the way. Masks and a 2 metre distance is in line with government guidelines which is why it's being allowed to go ahead. If We are allowed to cram like sardines into trains we can spread out and protest[/quote]
If everyone social distances then fine but that's not the case. Plus not everyone is walking from their front door and this being London relatively few will be driving; so it's more pressure on public transport which people are urged not to use unless it's an essential journey.

The protest was last Sunday. It's no longer about George Floyd for many people. If anything it's protesting lockdown, albeit subconsciously. People are bored and want to get out the house and meet people and this has been allowed.

@Jux

I was immensely proud of the protestors and thankful that they're prepared to stand up for what is right

Yes lets be proud of them putting theirs and everyone else's lives at risk during a pandemic. Bless them 🙄

Yes the officers were charged quickly . And it’s murder second degree. Perhaps should have been first . But the charges were very swift.

I'm not convinced that people have been crammed on the tube - tube use during lockdown has been about 5% of normal numbers.

They have certainly damaged their cause and spread the virus so I am not sure what was gained other than a waste of public money and disease and destruction.

Surely you know by now hedgehog that declaring “all lives matter” makes you racist, regardless of what your intention might have been? Intention is irrelevant in this discussion because the racist thought police know better than you what’s really lurking deep in your soul.

There is an attempt going on here to establish racial collective guilt for the death of George Floyd. As an ideology this is utterly reprehensible.

@cyclingmad

People have been crammed on the tube with no social distancing all the way throughout the peak and more so now things are opening up....where are the threads on how they should stay at home and do not use the tube? Did all that close travelling cause a spike....seen no evidence it has

The rules have been clear over public transport from the start to only use it for an essential journey; primarily key workers who can't work from home.

@MasakaBuzz
Darker skin colour does not prevent people getting Vitamin D from sunlight. Medical professionals merely suggest longer periods of time exposed to the sun. Today was not the only day of protests. It has been very sunny on previous days.

[quote SusieOwl4]@SimonJT. Actually no. You know nothing about me or my family so don’t jump to conclusions .

You might be totally wrong .[/quote]
I’m confused (not unsual!), I cannot find where I have commented on one of your posts on this thread.

@SimonJT

Don't presume to speak for anyone except yourself. I am BAME. You don't speak for me. There are scenes of thugs chucking a bike at a horse and a felled cop and a cheering crowd. Are you pretending that didn't happen? The posters on here defending this violence are apologists for thugs. They don't speak on behalf of every person who is not white. Many of us are watching these scenes with dismay. Don't dare presume to speak on behalf of anyone but yourself.

They have certainly damaged their cause and spread the virus so I am not sure what was gained other than a waste of public money and disease and destruction.

One thing that has been gained is the loss of a lot of goodwill among many from the majority of the population who have obeyed the rules for 3 months and not seen family; not seen friends; missed funerals; millions shielding not leaving their houses for 3 months.

And most of all exhausted NHS workers who now have to prepare for the inevitable second peak.

Crazy.

Where were you all when the young policeman got killed on duty by burglars they were trying to apprehend .

Oh I guess that’s different . Police lives don’t matter .

It’s wrong. And pointless. What is going to change following these protests? All they do is show that people care what is happening, but people know that anyway, and absolutely nothing will change on the back of these protests. Things never do. The only people who get benefit from it are the people who go to these events with the sole purpose of taking their aggression out on the police and authorities as they think it gives them an excuse to throw things and behave like thugs.

@Jillyhilly "Surely you know by now hedgehog that declaring “all lives matter” makes you racist, regardless of what your intention might have been? Intention is irrelevant in this discussion because the racist thought police know better than you what’s really lurking deep in your soul.
How the fuck can you read into that?? How the fuck can that make me a racist?? Explain yourself.

[quote BovaryX]@SimonJT

Don't presume to speak for anyone except yourself. I am BAME. You don't speak for me. There are scenes of thugs chucking a bike at a horse and a felled cop and a cheering crowd. Are you pretending that didn't happen? The posters on here defending this violence are apologists for thugs. They don't speak on behalf of every person who is not white. Many of us are watching these scenes with dismay. Don't dare presume to speak on behalf of anyone but yourself.[/quote]
Where have I said I speak for anyone else?

Someone throwing a bike and an officer falling off a horse doesn’t make a riot.

One thing that has been gained is the loss of a lot of goodwill among many from the majority of the population who have obeyed the rules for 3 months and not seen family; not seen friends; missed funerals; millions shielding not leaving their houses for 3 months. And most of all exhausted NHS workers who now have to prepare for the inevitable second peak. Crazy

Exactly this, all of this.

Are some people here used to throwing "racist" at people and this ceasing the debate? It wont work here, soz.

[quote HedgehogDramas]@Jillyhilly "Surely you know by now hedgehog that declaring “all lives matter” makes you racist, regardless of what your intention might have been? Intention is irrelevant in this discussion because the racist thought police know better than you what’s really lurking deep in your soul.
How the fuck can you read into that?? How the fuck can that make me a racist?? Explain yourself.[/quote]
All lives matter is a common reply to black lives matter from racist groups, it has been for quite some time now. You may not have known.

@Wilberforce1 Absolutely correct.

@Jux

I admire the protestors. They are defending a fundamental principle upon which our society is built. They are doing it despite risks to themselves, either of sickness or of violence.

I thought the protests were largely peaceful (and there'll always be a few troublemakers, but you shouldn't focus on them).

I was immensely proud of the protestors and thankful that they're prepared to stand up for what is right.

How do you justify anyone else that they infect if they've picked up the virus on a protest? We can all see that social distance wasn't kept by many and masks weren't being worn by all, people were in very close proximity to others for long periods