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Nhs recruitment overwhelming and appalled

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calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:11

I've been involved in the recruitment of a job for the past 4-5 months now. The recruitment team do not update me on anything and I am constantly having to ask for updates.

Recently I've been told that my references provided never told the hiring manager much about me and that he has to now go back to hr/recruitment to see how they can move forward on this

But recruitment are telling me they're waiting to hear back from the hiring manager so they can proceed.

I feel as though I'm going round and round in circles and how are they possibly going to get more information on me for me to pass the reference checks??

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36degrees · 04/06/2020 15:19

Is this a role that you can potentially go to another employer for? I understand with it being NHS it might be the only place you can do what you are trained for without a massive commute. Alarm bells would be seriously ringing for me if the recruitment team or hiring manager can't get this together between them in the space of 4 months, 2 months I can understand at a time like this, but not the best part of half a year.

The place I work is having significant IT problems at the moment and we are still able to progress our recruitments, it's just taking a bit of extra emailing between hiring managers and HR to get it all the paperwork where it needs to go instead of uploading it to the system that we usually use.

calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:22

@36degrees nope this role can only be carried out within a hospital. I'll be gutted after all this waiting and back and forth if they decide to withdraw my application

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Ipadipod · 04/06/2020 15:25

I feel for you, nhs recruitment is not great, I used to work for the nhs and lost potential staff to other trusts because the process took so long. Keep at it Op and good luck x

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TheHighestSardine · 04/06/2020 15:27

My brother was going through a round of NHS interviews, started in December, on hold for months at a time, just starting next week. The normal processes are in a mess right now.

Keep gently pushing. Since you're talking to both the hiring manager and HR, CC them on each other's emails!

SnuggyBuggy · 04/06/2020 15:28

In my experience the NHS are fucking useless at recruitment. I've seen it as both an applicant and an employee. We'd lose loads of potentially good members of staff to other jobs before interview because there is so much faffing around.

Teawiththat · 04/06/2020 15:28

Welcome to government recruitment. I worked for the CS once and it took 13 months from application to starting lmao.

Sharkyfan · 04/06/2020 15:29

It does sound appalling.
Local authority can be the same.
The bit about references sounds a bit odd though as admittedly I don’t know too much about this stuff but I thought it was standard now to give very very basic references for previous employees pretty much just confirming the dates they worked.

calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:30

@Ipadipod Thankyou x

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calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:31

@SnuggyBuggy I've literally had enough of them, I never knew they would be this bad

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calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:33

@Sharkyfan I'm now just wondering since as he isn't satisfied with my references how the hell is he gona obtain more information about me 😤 probably will take another month now

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Elouera · 04/06/2020 15:34

Could you provide a difference reference for them to call?

Troels · 04/06/2020 15:36

The NHS are awful for this.
I accepted a position in September one year, (they were hiring a few of us at once) and started the new job in February, and that was because I kept calling to find out what was happening. Other staff hired same week, same job started after me, one not until April. Theres no reason for this except incompetance.
I kept getting, oh so and so is on holiday now we have to wait for this or that. Then they'd come back and were waiting for something from someone else.

calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:37

@Elouera I could but one person is telling me one thing and the other something completely different.

My recruitment coordinator is telling me he's waiting on the hiring manager to get back to him with approving my references

And I've emailed the hiring manager and he's told me my references are lacking basically but he's spoke to hr already about it and they're finding a way to move forward

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SnuggyBuggy · 04/06/2020 15:37

It's poor, I mean aren't they one of the largest employers in the UK? Even if you aren't good at something to start with you'd normally get better at it the more you do it so what's their excuse?

I know some hospitals have resorted to giving everyone, even the band 2 filing clerk, a 3 month notice period because it takes so long to recruit for a replacement. I'm also convinced many prefer internal applicants because it cuts down the admin delay.

calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:40

@Troels I feel as though I'm about to be in the same position as you 😭

I feel like I'm being strung along but I'm trying to be patient.

I really wana just tell them all to do their jobs properly 😫

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calmndcollective · 04/06/2020 15:44

@SnuggyBuggy it's all a joke. I actually can't believe they have people waiting months and months to start working as I'm sure they're in need of staff all the time.

And here's silly old me thinking nothing but greatness about the nhs

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maxelly · 04/06/2020 15:47

Unfortunately the NHS pre-employment checks can take a while, and inefficiency, unnecessary bureaucracy and poor communication can be par for the course at the best of times and the current situation won't be helping.

YY Sharkyfan, bland/generic references are now absolutely par for the course, organisations (wrongly IMO) are so afraid of being sued for defamation that the vast majority have made it policy to only provide these for some years now - unfortunately some NHS managers aren't always up to date on current trends in recruitment (some of them are absolute dinosaurs who haven't changed their management practice for 20 years or more), and if they haven't had to take references for a few years it can take them by surprise. Many managers still think that the only reasons a generic/template reference would be provided is where there's a problem with the person, which was the case maybe 10 years ago but not at all so now.

You'd have thought it wouldn't be too hard for a recruitment person with their head screwed on to explain things in simple terms to a recruitment manager who is struggling, but not all recruitment people seem able to do so! To be fair a recruitment officer job is usually the very first entry level rung of the HR ladder in the NHS/public sector anyway, often they aren't CIPD qualified or very experienced themselves, and their training and the hierarchical approach of the NHS tends to guide them towards a bit of a 'computer says no' rigid approach rather than applying discretion to a situation.

I expect the conversation went something like

Recruitment person (RP): Here are the references, are you happy with them?

Hiring manager (HM): But these are really generic and don't tell me anything?

RP: These are the references we were sent. You need to make a decision.

HM: I can't make a decision without more information. What should I do?

RP:These are the references we have, the process is that you should make a decision....

HM: ....

RP: ....

Hence when you are emailling, the RP says the hiring manager needs to make a decision, but the HM says they are waiting for recruitment to tell them what to do.... What needs to happen here is that (probably a more senior) HR person or manager needs to intervene to either say that it's now standard to OK bland/generic references and it doesn't mean there is any cause for concern OR that if the HM has genuine questions/information they need (other than general reassurance you are OK/a nice person etc), work out how they can go about getting that, e.g. through a personal conversation with your referees (although understandably your referees may not be willing to do this if their organisation's policy is not to do so) or asking you to provide more evidence or similar.

You could see if you can ask the next time you speak to recruitment to speak to the recruitment manager or Head of Recruitment (who probably won't want to be bothered but may help unblock and refer you to the right person) or you could do as TheHighestSardine says and try and reignite a conversation over email by copying them both in.... maybe state in that email that it is the policy of your organisation to only provide the template reference and asking what more you can do to provide the information required?

calmnecollective · 04/06/2020 16:12

@maxelly Thankyou for all this info. Defo a great help. I appreciate it a lot 😊

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