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AA has suggested pay per mile after 3000 miles each year

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ivykaty44 · 04/06/2020 09:27

To reduce short trips by car

I think this would make people think about car usage & only use when needed, say school run & work. But then opt for shopping home delivery and other trips by bus, walking or bike

Countryside would get more mileage free

What do others think? Would it help reduce pollution and encourage parents not to pick up secondary children from school etc?

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wegoatdawn · 04/06/2020 14:29

I do 3000 in less than 5 weeks, purely going to and from work. Not sure the reality would be workable?

DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 14:47

I can take a bus, tram or train into the nearest city but they're all separate tickets so you can't mix and match without paying double.

You do realised that Ken Livingstone and the GLC got rid of that in London in the early 80s (with the Travelcard) and no one has dared even dream of changing it ? Single ticket for bus, tube and overground.

PawPawNoodle · 04/06/2020 14:57

@DGRossetti

I can take a bus, tram or train into the nearest city but they're all separate tickets so you can't mix and match without paying double.

You do realised that Ken Livingstone and the GLC got rid of that in London in the early 80s (with the Travelcard) and no one has dared even dream of changing it ? Single ticket for bus, tube and overground.

Wow, it's almost as if there are other cities in the UK that aren't London!

In relation to the OP, I hope there's some way around it I.e. with business insurance. My job can be over 20k miles a year with no way of using public transport.

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DGRossetti · 04/06/2020 15:01

Wow, it's almost as if there are other cities in the UK that aren't London!

Tell me about it. I was exiled to Brum in the mid 90s, so have watched with (admittedly lessening) incredulity as each passing decade still doesn't bring even the concept of a single travel ticket closer.

Currently they are really chuffed with themselves over the "swift card", which should have been an anagram of "total pants".

WaffleCash · 04/06/2020 15:19

We actually had a card that you could top up online or at a tram stop or auto top up and could be used on some buses and trams. They got rid of it at the start of the year! Replaced with a card that cannot be topped up online, no facilities to top up at terminal tram stops outside the city centre, no auto top up! It's 2020 fgs

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 04/06/2020 15:44

I do more than 12,000 miles per year because I live rurally, my kids school is in the next village and I start work in community nursing at 8.30. There is no bus that takes me to the kids school and then to the surgery I work at and I then obviously need my car to do my visits to very rural patients. Stupid idea 🙄

Duckfinger · 04/06/2020 16:05

@ivykaty44

Duckfinger So 1070 miles over at a 1p cost per mile would cost you £107 so £2 per week
True it's not much, but I would probably prefer to keep my mileage under any limit. I'm quite conscious of how much petrol emissions I create hence driving a hybrid and plan to go fully electric as soon as I can afford it.
PolkaDotsPolka · 04/06/2020 16:17

I live 15 miles from work. I used to live a 10 minute cycle ride, but my post was moved to a different location.
I can't cycle as it's along the busiest A road in the county, so not safe.
I can't take public transport, as it would involve taking two buses, leaving the night before my shift and camping at work.

It's a sweet idea in theory, but until public transport matches what the public need then it's not feasible.

Tappering · 04/06/2020 16:29

I have to travel to my firm's head office occasionally. It's 80 miles away.

In order to get there for 9am by public transport I would have to leave my house at 4am and take four buses and three trains. Finishing at 5.30pm (when the office closes), repeating the journey I'd get home at just shy of 10pm.

Whereas driving takes me between 1-2 hours each way depending on traffic. With the luxury of not having to spend hours in bus and train stations in all weathers.

StopMakingATitOfUrselfNPissOff · 04/06/2020 16:39

My commute is 8 miles a day round trip, so tiny in the grand scheme of things. Even then I'm 2/3s into the proposed cap just by going to work.

But I can't bike or walk because my kids need dropping at school on the way which is a different route than I'd walk so too far for them plus I have to visit other offices (sometimes with no notice) so need my car accessible.

It'd also be 3 changes on the bus for a 4 mile journey in a car.

ivykaty44 · 04/06/2020 17:50

'm quite conscious of how much petrol emissions I create hence driving a hybrid and plan to go fully electric as soon as I can afford it.

It’s different pricing for fully electric & not going to be the same pricing on milage

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ivykaty44 · 04/06/2020 17:52

Quote Tappering Thu 04-Jun-20 16:29:34

But why does it have to be either or? Why can’t it be a mixture of car and train to reduce the time and milage

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plominoagain · 04/06/2020 18:31

I do 30,000 miles a year - 100 mile daily each way commute . Good thing I’m retiring in 10 months time it seems . There are no trains to get me in early enough , or get me home late enough , and I haven’t been able to transfer for nearly ten years . 3000 miles is about a months mileage about now .

OneEye1961 · 04/06/2020 18:46

“all these posters describing their long commute that is only possible by car - the point of such policies is to make the choices that you have been able to make, and your employers have been able to make, less feasible. your employers shouldn't be able to pay such low wages for a job they want doing that the person who does the job can't afford to live anywhere nearby - that option shouldn't be open to them. either they need to invest in affordable nearby housing or, if the business doesn't have to be located there, they could relocate the business. or they could just pay more so that their employees can afford the local cost of living.“

@YinuCeatleAyru why assume that low pay is involved? Why assume that employees would prefer to live close to their workplace if only they could afford it? I know plenty of people who prefer to live long distances from their workplaces, simply because it means living in the countryside and not the city. They earn high wages and they see living rurally as part of the reward of being successful. They look down on those of us living closer to work.

I believe some companies do invest in nearby housing, subsidised for employees. But that means lose your job, lose your home.

The only fair scheme is one based on the true currency of driving, ie the road-mile. You talk about making good choices more affordable and bad choices less affordable but money should be removed from the equation as far as possible, because high earners value driving in their posh cars so much that they’ll simply pay to be able to carry on driving as far - and as unsustainably - as they always have, while poorer drivers get priced off the roads. The trouble is, some governments would see that as a good thing, i.e. lots of tax revenues from rich drivers.

We should give all drivers an annual mileage allowance calculated by assessing their need to drive - i.e. journeys to work, healthcare and suchlike - against the availability of alternative forms of transport in their area. So someone like me, living in a London suburb with a lot of alternatives available, would be awarded a relatively low annual mileage allowance. Whereas a rural citizen with few alternative forms of transport available would get a higher allowance. We shouldn’t let rich people just buy their way out of any limits the system tries to put on them. Exceeding your allowance would be penalised by road-mile, not by money. How to keep tabs on mileage? Either by MOT test or by road sensors picking up mileage information electronically from cars as they pass by.

Having said that, the alternatives need to be viable; much of London public transport, especially train journeys to deserted stations at night, is not acceptable to women. And tube journeys at rush-hour, with your face smashed into someone else’s armpit, from which you emerge like a dump dishrag, and which cost you way more per year than driving does, don’t seem a very attractive alternative to the comfort your own car either.

Tappering · 04/06/2020 18:53

But why does it have to be either or? Why can’t it be a mixture of car and train to reduce the time and milage

The journey looks like; walk to bus stop, bus, walk to another bus stop, train journey, train journey, three mile walk to bus stop, bus, walk to another bus stop, 4 mile walk to work. The office is in a business park without good transport links, so it's not just a case of park and ride.

your employers shouldn't be able to pay such low wages for a job they want doing that the person who does the job can't afford to live anywhere nearby

I'm a higher rate taxpayer. My job involves highly specialised knowledge following a number of years of training and experience, that is not readily available in the average village or town.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 04/06/2020 19:05

But why does it have to be either or? Why can’t it be a mixture of car and train to reduce the time and milage

My nearest train station is further away from my workplace (15 miles v 7 miles).....oh and there are no links from where I live to either the station or work, and no links from the station to work. In fact in order to get to the station I'd have to drive past my place of work.

WitchWindows · 04/06/2020 19:06

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Tappering · 04/06/2020 19:15

I could drive to the first train station and park and travel from there. But parking is £20 per 8 hours in the station car park. Plus the cost of the rest of the train and bus tickets. And cutting out the first two bus journeys only saves me 40 minutes out of a 5 hour journey!!

ElfDragon · 04/06/2020 19:22

Ridiculous idea.

I have 2 dc at (separate) SN schools out of county. One 20 miles in one direction, the other 16 miles in the opposite direction. Neither get transport (for various reasons it’s not an option), so I drive 70 miles+ twice a day, just on school runs. Minimum of 700 miles a week just getting dc to school, let alone any other our eyes that may be necessary. I’d be able to take them for a month before incurring extra charges.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 04/06/2020 19:28

I think people living in rural areas should just be left alone

BeltaneBride · 04/06/2020 19:46

But you pay per mile anyway with fuel duty. And on wear and tear on car So just up the fuel duty if necessary. Or car tax rates. Or put tolls on motorways like in most countries. Anything else is ridiculously complicated.

BeltaneBride · 04/06/2020 19:47

Better would be carrot of free bus and train travel.

ivykaty44 · 04/06/2020 21:22

Or put tolls on motorways like in most countries.

Then you’ll end up with more pollution and more deaths due to people not paying as they drive along A rds instead - which can’t cope with a high level of traffic this the motorways were built

And as fuel sales dwindle so will the tax

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Dinosauratemydaffodils · 04/06/2020 22:25

Or put tolls on motorways like in most countries.

Definitely. Mexico was an "excellent" example of that when we lived there. We did 100s of kilometres on their toll roads, most of the time we only saw military vehicles which I presume didn't pay. Then of course you had trucks and massive tailbacks going through tiny villages running over people and dogs.

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