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Friend's partner is a Grade A Tw*t

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DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 10:40

Hi everyone

I'd like to ask your advice on a situation I'm encountering in my work place.

I've been working at my job for nearly 13 years, in that time I've become quite close to my supervisor, we spend a lot of our working day together and therefore confide about our home lives etc. We don't socialise outside of work (obvs not atm!) but we are what I would term as friends.

Around six years ago her Husband died very suddenly of a heart attack, at the age of 52. After around six months, she was at a party at a neighbours house when another (male) neighbour made a move on her. Long story short, he had a girlfriend who he lived with, but my friend started having an affair with him. He would pop over to her house for sex if his gf went out, after texting the code words "are you putting the kettle on?".

Fast forward three years, his girlfriend moved out. She didn't find out about the affair as far as I know. I reckon she moved out because this guy is a grade A tw*t, as I have now come to learn.

After the girlfriend moved out my friend told this guy she wanted more from him than just sex, he told her he couldn't give her more so she went on a date with another, very nice, guy. When neighbour guy found out about this, miraculously he was suddenly able to give her the relationship she had asked for.....

Over the course of the relationship this guy has become gradually more and more of a complete b*stard. The first thing to go was the sex, they last had sex 18 months ago, and on that occasion apparently it was a failed attempt (not sure why). He hasn't tried since, but on top of this, he doesn't kiss or cuddle her, they don't snuggle on the settee, she says he sits as far away as he can. In bed at night he tells her off if she doesn't stay on 'her side' of the bed, and on one occasion he told her to turn the opposite way as he didn't want her face to be facing his face!

My friend has been confiding in me for a few years now about all of this. A year or so ago she started to mention that he had started to talk about selling his house and moving in with her. I begged her to think long and hard about this, as at this point she was in tears most days at work due to his cruel behaviour. She then told me about a massive tax bill he had received and didn't have the means to pay.. jump forward a couple of weeks, his house is on the market, it's now sold and he has moved in with my friend.

There is no doubt in my mind that he moved in with her to get himself out of a financial hole. Since moving in with her his behaviour towards her has worsened. He is currently furloughed and sits around doing nothing all day. He then has the cheek to text her every day at around 3pm, asking what's for dinner that evening. She then panics about what to cook because nothing is ever good enough. She buys their food from M&S every day, even though she claims to be skint. She then goes home and cooks, every night, even though he has been lazing about all day. He then complains about the food. Every night. It is either not cooked properly, not healthy, not tasty, not all ready at the same time, not ready at the precise time that he wants it to be ready etc etc. He then complains when she puts the dirty dishes in the dishwasher, saying that it's un-ecomonical and that she should get rid of the dishwasher and use a bowl 'like everyone else does'. He also complains about wasted food (which he doesn't pay for..) last week he kicked off because a lettuce had gone off and had to be thrown away.....

Added to all of this, he owes her £1000 towards a holiday they took last year, and £500 he pocketed when he sold her car for her (he put the money in his pocket and never mentioned it again) this was around a year ago. She has never asked for any of this money back and he has never mentioned paying it back.

Last week he said they needed to sort out halving the bills but stipulated clearly that he wasn't going to help pay her mortgage.. when she questioned this he laughed and said "you should have made me sign on the dotted line BEFORE I moved in". So currently he has almost £200,000 sitting happily in the bank, and has no rent or mortgage to pay, and also never contributes towards the shopping. He also recently received an inheritance from his Mother's estate, not sure how much that is for, but let's just say this guy is currently sitting extremely pretty.

The latest episode of this guy's cruelty happened just a couple of days ago. They were in bed together and she leaned over to reach something and accidentally brushed his arm with her hand. Apparently he abruptly pulled his arm away, turned to her and said in a loud voice 'NO PHYSICAL CONTACT'. He then tried to back track and said it was because he was too warm, but come on, you don't speak to the woman you 'love' like that do you?

My reason for writing this post is because I'm currently at a loss as to how to advise her. I spend a lot of hours alone with this friend in work, at the moment those hours are spent with her talking and crying and me trying my best to advise and counsel her. All of my advice has fallen on deaf ears, I begged her not to move him in as I could see how badly he was treating her and I knew it would get worse once he had his foot in the door of her house.

It's becoming increasingly frustrating to listen to her talk about the same problems over and over, yet she does absolutely nothing about it. She never stands up for herself, never challenges him when he speaks to her like she's a piece of s*it. She won't talk to him about the sex issue, which I just don't get at all, if you've not had sex with your partner for 18 months, surely you would want to know why? And why would you move that person into your house? She gets absolutely nothing positive from this relationship, he criticises everything she does, shows her no love or affection, doesn't contribute to the outgoings at present, doesn't do anything for her around the house and the only time he is nice towards her is when other people are around (her Daughter's or friends etc).

I'm at my wit's end. I have been listening to this almost daily for 3 years now and I feel like my sympathy has all but depleted. I'm now at the point where I think she is spineless and stupid to put up with his behaviour, and I don't really want to waste my energy and breath advising her anymore, she never utilises the advice anyway. What can I do moving forward to distance myself from this situation? I spend most of my working day in the same office as this friend, I'm a captive audience. I don't want to desert her as I'm the only person she confides in, but with everything else that's going on in the world I'm finding this work situation extremely draining, I often go home feeling drained and low.

I'm happy to hear any opinions or advice on how to move forward with this situation. Please don't think I'm a mean hearted person, I have cried with this woman over the way this man treats her, but I think my own mental health is important too. I didn't sign up to be anyone's counsellor and that's how I feel at the moment.

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beanaseireann · 24/05/2020 10:46

Oh dear. I don't want to read and run.
You did warn her.
She didn't listen to your advice.
I'd despair too.
Hopefully other posters will come along with helpful advice.

ProseccoBubbleFantasies · 24/05/2020 10:49

It's none of your business.

Your friend doesn't want your advice

You're allowed to swear on MN

TheListeners · 24/05/2020 10:50

Buy her Lundy Bancroft's book why does he do that? Get her to read it. Have you told her she is in an abusive relationship? Does she recognise that she is or is she still of the belief that a magic combination of words will fix him? You sound like you have been a saint so don't feel bad that you're running out of patience with the situation.

ScreamingKid · 24/05/2020 11:01

Shes a colleague , not really a friend. You said yourself that you don't see her out of work. I think I would stay out of it other than make the odd comment such as "That sounds unnecessary. What do you think?' Or 'That cant be right. What are you going to do?'

DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 11:16

@ProseccoBubbleFantasies

Thank you for reprimanding me about not swearing properly. I will make it my mission to swear like the Mumsnetter I aspire to be in future!

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DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 11:18

@ScreamingKid Thank you for your input. The problem is, she often asks me for my advice, in the past I've always tried my best to tell her how I would deal with her situation, but this basically entails splitting up with him, which she is not willing to do. The situation is very frustrating and I can't escape it because it's a work situation and she is my superior.

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DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 11:21

@TheListeners Thank you for suggesting some reading material, I will definitely purchase that book for her :-)

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MaxNormal · 24/05/2020 11:26

Does she do any actual work?? Or just sit and cry and moan about the guy all day long?

WelcomeToTheMountaintop · 24/05/2020 11:48

I think it’s OK to say ‚‘look I’ve been advising you on this at your request for three years. Not once have you ever taken any of that advice. You are wasting your time asking, im wasting my time advising... let’s talk about something else‘

Then you can just say ‚‘you know we feelings‘ every time she tries to talk about it again. If you are feeling charitable, give her the Lundy Bancoft book and direct her to Mumsnet.

Zaphodsotherhead · 24/05/2020 11:54

I think I would say 'look, I'm very sorry that you feel so bad about the way your life is going and I'm here if you need to talk about it, but please don't ask for advice you don't intend to take.'

And then when she's carrying on and crying about him you can alternate between 'I can't give you advice on this' and 'you are worth more than this.'

It sounds as though her husband's death hit her hard and she decided she couldn't manage as a single woman. She moved too fast, now regrets it but is stuck in that 'helpless' stage. Maybe you could advise her to see a doctor about her evident depression.

In the end though, there is nothing you can directly 'do'. Just build her up until she feels she can do it herself.

DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 11:56

@MaxNormal She does the things that she absolutely has to do, such as wages, sorting annual leave etc. The rest of the time is spent going over her relationship woes. Sometimes it makes me feel like I'm going to drop off to sleep. I want to help her, I really do, she's a nice person but it's really starting to grate on me now.

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DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 12:01

@Zaphodsotherhead thank you for your helpful input. She was with her Husband for 30 years and I agree with you about her not wanting to try to manage as a single woman. I have seen this scenario several times (even with my own Mother and my best friend's Mother). I find it quite telling that the men that homed in on all 3 of these widowed women, were controlling, and in varying measures, abusive, men. It's almost as if they recognize the vulnerability of these women.

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MaxNormal · 24/05/2020 12:01

So for three years she's been coasting along doing the bare miminum while using her position of seniority to make you listen to her woes? That's not on. It's bloody awful that her husband died so young, that's enough to crush anybody, but how she's dealing with it all is very unfair.

just5morepeas · 24/05/2020 12:01

I think you've had some good advice here.

Does your work have a HR department? Could you speak to them?

Grumpylockeddownwoman · 24/05/2020 12:09

I had a similar with my sil and it was so draining - I cannot imagine how bad this must be for you at work.

I ad to say in the end that I’m not discussing this - as you won’t take any advice - it was more that she was looking for someone to say “oh he will change and it will all he ok”.

At work and with someone senior to you it must feel impossible. Tbh - in all honesty I’d be looking for another job (totally appreciate that this is far easier said than done though, particularly at the moment).

The thing is - even if he leaves - you are still going to be listening to the fall out day in and day out, so it’s about tackling how you and her communicate rather than her issue with her partner.

User56781234 · 24/05/2020 12:21

OP, you have my heartfelt sympathy here. I've been in the same situation with both a boss and colleagues and it's exhausting. Some excellent advice here. I would add: Does your work offer counselling which you could access asap? You cannot help this woman but you can help yourself to detach yourself from the situation. I would also second leaving this job if at all possible. In the meantime, a very useful phrase which I discovered on Mumsnet is to 'grey rock' somebody so that you are being polite and professional to your (highly unprofessional!) boss but are protecting your own job and putting your own mental health first.

2bazookas · 24/05/2020 12:37

She has sucked you in to being used as her prop, her emotional crutch.

Isn't that exactly the relationship she has enabled between herself and her partner ? You can see how unhealthy that is.

It's time for you to stop being her crutch, for your own sake and hers. Just tell her so upfront, you don't want to hear ny more about her private life.

VettiyaIruken · 24/05/2020 12:43

Tough one.
Tbh after all these years of her endlessly complaining about the choices she has made I would tell her that I don't want to hear any more. That she chose all of this and you cannot and will not continue to listen to her moaning about a situation she chose to walk in to and chooses to stay in.

Notredamn · 24/05/2020 12:58

I can't believe you've just given your friend's life story with such personal, hurtful details to a bunch of strangers online. The whole shebang. Who needs enemies eh.

DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 13:46

Thank you so much for your advice everyone. I think I'll go with the general consensus, which seems to be to let her know that I no longer feel that I want to offer her advice as she doesn't really want it and never acts on it. In future I will simply ask her how she thinks is the best way to deal with the situation. I will listen but not offer advice.

To the person who berated me for posting this story in detail here. 1. I have not mentioned any names, no one here knows who this person is. None of my workmates are on Mumsnet (I know as I have asked on numerous occasions) therefore it is highly unlikely that anyone will stumble across my post and guess who it's about. Therefore, no one is likely to be hurt by this post. Unless that is, the situation resonates with someone who behaves in the same way my supervisor does and they don't like to hear how it makes their captive audience feel (bored).

  1. I did not ask to be privvy to any of the information this person has divulged about her relationship, if anything it has been forced upon me. Therefore I feel zero guilt in relaying the story in the hope that someone can help and advise a way of freeing myself from the frustration and low mood this situation causes for me. 3. Lots of us use Mumsnet in a cathartic way to offload situations that are affecting us negatively. If I went into a lot of detail that's because I'm sick of holding all of those details inside my brain, I wanted to get some other folk's take on the situation.
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Sarcelle · 24/05/2020 13:55

I wonder what would happen if you had to offload onto her with your troubles. I suspect you would get 1 minute's airtime than back onto her. Been there. It is a one sided one woman misery fest.

cstaff · 24/05/2020 14:09

I would definitely take a step back here OP.I had a friend who used to sound off to me about her boyfriend regularly (who was lovely btw) and I just had enough. She came to my house one evening and she was only in the door when she started.

I just stopped her in her tracks and said that we are going out tonight to have some fun so I don't want to hear mention of "Dave" unless it is just part of the regular conversation I.e. not complaining about him. She was really taken aback and got stroppy with me and threatened to leave. I just said off you go so and she quickly changed her tune and shut up giving out about Dave.

In your case OP I would just say something along the lines of well you haven't taken on board any advice I've given before so why are you still asking. Maybe you should talk to a counsellor.

DollyDaydream70 · 24/05/2020 14:42

@Sarcelle you hit the nail right on the head!!

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Notredamn · 24/05/2020 16:12

Oh give over, OP you're clearly hoping that by mentioning MN at work you'll have prompted her to look at see your rant. You could've said you were sick to the back teeth of hearing her go on about her home life and never taking advice without mentioning the dead husband, lack of sex and definitely the affair.
Anyone else would go, 'ooh you know what, I'm having a crap time too, let's keep it light hearted at work'.

Sarcelle · 24/05/2020 16:50

I think the OP's miserable colleague has found the thread!!!!