If you think the world has gone bonkers, how will this period be judged?

[Daffodil101]

To be clear, this is a thread for people who think the works has gone bonkers.

How will we look back on this? How will history judge it?

My feeling is something about the lack of consideration for children. I think we will look back and think that children’s needs were overlooked, their education and mental health was affected by adult hysteria.

They couldn’t meet their peers, schools were so worried about having them back that they treated them like dirty, walking viruses, talked about them in bubbles and wanted them to play inside hoops.

Also something about utterly bonkers behaviour with no scientific basis, however willing to argue on social media that we were right ‘just because’ and reflection on the government’s own goal in use of the word ‘safe.’

I totally agree with you op.
I am really worried about DS1. I feel he’s regressing, I don’t have the skills, time or patience to be a proper teacher to him. He had a really tough time in reception, and had started to massively turn a corner in Y1 and I feel he’s going to be back to square one when he goes back. Thank god he is Y1 and will be going back soon 🤞🏻
I think DS2 will be fine, he’s 18 months old, he’d only been in nursery a couple of months before all this and he’s pretty easy going.

But poor DS1

In answer to your question, I think it depends on what the fall out looks like. Will we see the impact long term? Of course but to what degree. This could completely change the fabric of our world, and not in a good way.

I believe the whole thing is an overreaction and that’s how I see the history books looking at it.

Some of you obviously have never suffered from your mh to not know how this will affect some ,children included
To not think it will have an impact on any child is also unbelievable some love in abusing households , some may of lost parents , some already have mh issues which may be made worse , some have been cooped up in a tiny flat , and so on and so on
But hey your kids are doing fine so that's ok then

As for history to early to tell , might look back and think we over reacted or that we never reacted enough , or should of used different strategies.
Still too much unknown

I think we will also be seriously looking at how lockdown widened the gap between the haves and the have nots.

I don't mean the 1% against the rest of us, but the middle class vs the underclass/poorer working class/gig economy class. I live in USA and volunteer in an inner city elementary school. While I and my fellow MC parents are doing ok at home, wfh and helping/overseeing online learning and in some cases actual online classes from private schools, many of the children I used to volunteer with will simply be left at home alone. Six and seven-year-olds will be left to fend for themselves while their single parent is forced to work at whatever MW job they have, or else the parent will lose that job and they will shortly lose their home, because we don't have a nice big social safety net here. Yet all you hear are middle class voices telling everyone to stay home, save lives, and stop complaining - about a policy that affects comparatively fewer of them, but has a horrendous and lasting effect on those already struggling, and which will make their lives demonstrably harder in the months and years to come.

So you think that all the deaths so far is ok because the people are old? Children are more resilient than we give them credit for. Compare what’s actually happening now to the suffering during the wars, young Jewish children had to hide for months on end for example.

From what we have seen so far, history will highlight some of the abhorrent stuff that has gone on in the name of 'protection'.

That the protection of the elderly included sending them back into nursing homes untested and the reasons behind this.

How some people enforced their entire household into isolation for an indefinite period of time. (This is how some are dealing with shielding).The various impacts this would have by the time the books start getting written on physical and mental health.

There's loads of well-evidenced research that shows the longterm detrimental impact isolation has. Often referred to as solitary confinement, so there will be loads written about that alone. Never mind growth, long term impact from inactivity, the damage long periods in front of screens can have and more.

The disgusting behaviour of the panic buyers and what lessons can we learn.

What to do when your leaders lie and try to gaslight you. Withhold information etc. So of course loads of political stuff.

Like a pp, I've had face to face visits with medics, some I have gone to them, other times they have to come here. But I do agree that it is appalling that a lot of people has been 'forgotten' about, treatment stopped when they could if allowed.

And of course, they will take the absolute piss. The comments from various leaders who really believe the utter tosh they spew out. The local gossips had to resort to trying to police everyone else based on their own little bubble, so what if it automatically excludes vast proportions of society, but well who can blame them. The government have done the same.

@strugglingwithdeciding if your post was aimed at me, I can assure you I know plenty about MH issues.

Social anxiery. Health anxiety. GAD (username) for 25 years - so crippling, that some days I can't function. Not to mention terrible PND after DS1 was born. Panic attacks, suicidal thoughts, you name it.

Notwithstanding children in abusive homes, I fail to see how lockdown will cause MH issues. I have three children at home. They understand why this is happening. They appreciate that it is bigger than them. Sure they miss their friends etc but it is not forever.

In answer to the OP, it's likely to be judged by historians as a turning point - socially; economically and societally.

The way we live, travel, countries self sustain etc are likely to change forever.

Nahhh. People will move on and largely forget.
People are tough and resilient. Too much navel gazing these days.

A lockdown only works in the very short term. The economic damage is just too severe for a lockdown of more than a few weeks. We are basically trying to quarantine a healthy population.
That said, it was clear the Gov had little choice once the modelling figures were produced. Other countries were locking down, and there was huge pressure to lock down here, although I do not think it would have made much difference to the overall number of deaths.
I really feel for very young children, not in school, not in nursery, etc. These settings are so important for their social development. And of course, no play dates etc
However, there are also issues with other groups. My adult DS both live on their own. One is managing better than the other. One DS is almost suicidal. I would break the rules and visit, except if I subsequently caught the virus (could be seriously ill, or die), he would blame himself.
He is fortunate to be working from home, still has a job, but apart from exercise, visiting the shops, has little social interaction. Yes, there are zoom calls etc with friends, but it is not the same. Many many phone calls, WhatsApp video calls, that last hours, everyday. It's a nightmare for him.

I think it will be judged as a reign of terror by the conservative government, germaphobes, and introverts! I think it will be judged as a period where people were so scared of death that they dramatically reduced their life expectancies by over eating.

Interestingly when I saw the title of the thread I genuinely had no idea if you were going to say the world was bonkers because we haven’t taken the virus seriously enough, or because we’re taking it too seriously! I think only time will tell which calls were the right ones unfortunately.

That we sacrificed the economy for decades to save a small number of people. On the basis of what is quite possible a very dodgy forcasting model.

haha at people will forget.

Tell that to the 15-year-olds in 5 years time. In 5 years time, it will be their history going into those books. Everyone will be still getting fucked overpaying all the tax for the massive blank cheque. Assuming of course, if you have a job.

All those teens who have been wrongly locked up for so far 8 weeks. Oh, I wouldn't be too sure they will forget when they escaped to anywhere else. Many are already realising the bollocks some parents are telling their kids about shielding, and not letting them out. Just the poor sods are stuck, waiting for the front door to open.

And flights stopped haha. Not in the UK they didn't.

Nohardsell@ once again the baby boomers get the blame how is this relevant?

You don't think history will judge that generation harshly? I do.

Interesting question OP

Children aren't having their mental health affected - none that I know anyway. They can't play with their friends - so they are playing with their siblings and their parents . They are learning in a different way, but they are still learning.

My child doesn’t have siblings. If schools don’t go back before September she won’t have interacted with a single other child in person for six months. If you think that won’t have an effect on her mental health, you need to get your head out of your arse.

It demonstrates what high expectations people have nowadays compared to past generations eg children had serious illnesses in the past like scarlet fever, tb, which would have kept them isolated at home in bed for months. It was just what happened.

I think as the cost (I don’t mean financial especially) of the lockdown itself becomes clearer, we will increasingly be asking “was this worth it?” when we weigh up against the toll of coronavirus itself. Of course there will be a concerted effort by govt (and by many on here too) to make sure that it is very much presented as “worth it”. This is why we have the “you are all feeble whiners” narrative for anyone who says they find it hard

EdwinaMay You have no idea. my godmother, who is in her 80s, has lifelong mental health problems as a result of her isolation for TB. Or was she just feeble and had set her expectations too high?

That's the first time I've heard of problems like your Godmother's. Hence my opinion. I've no idea how feeble she was.

Edwina, if you really think that actual evidence about the negative sides of isolation over a long period of time is simply down to high expectations.
Pop yourself off into isolation for the next 6 months. During which time, your contact will be phone/video to those you know.

Then come back and say it's all just about high expectations.