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DM rushed into hospital and I feel so helpless

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MortyFide · 27/04/2020 16:57

DM is 82 and in full time care with advanced Alzheimer's dementia. She's been declining slowly since the new year when she went into a private care home, with failing mobility, increasing frailty and constant falls.

Last night she lapsed into unconsciousness with shallow breathing, and was rushed to hospital to find that she was septic, with a "significant" UTI. She had almost finished a course of antibiotics at the home but her blood sugars were through the roof - turned out she was in retention and when the hospital catheterised her, pus poured out according to the doctor. Her chest x-ray was clear but she was so sick they warned that she might not last the night...but she did, and when I called this morning she was awake and had taken a little food. I chatted with the doctor who was so kind and helpful, I gave her some history, and she was cautiously optimistic that DM can get through this - with repeated warnings of course that she is weak and frail, and things can change rapidly. There is a DNR, and if DM deteriorates she won't go to critical care and won't be ventilated. I said DM and the family were fine with that, we discussed it all years ago.

Her oxygen sats are low and she has been tested for Covid19, but we won't have the results until tomorrow. They told me to call for an update this afternoon, so I did - but the phone was handed to someone who said she wasn't a nurse. This person said DM was "ok", had been "sitting in the chair" so she was a bit tired, and that I could speak to her. She passed the phone over and all I could hear was mum moaning, crying, saying "they're hurting me" and unable to speak properly. I tried to soothe her, told her she was ill but would get out soon, she just has to grin and bear it. She said my name, and I told her to just rest her eyes and sleep through everything.

Eventually someone took the phone from her and I asked to speak to the doctor for a proper update on her condition (is she responding to ab's, how's her oxygen, how's her temp, how's her kidney function, why is she slurring her words etc). She found the same doctor that I spoke to this morning, who told me very impatiently that there was no change since this morning (OK, but SHE told me to call again). I asked why she couldn't speak and she said patronisingly that "elderly folk do get confused when they're as unwell as she is." I said she's confused because she has advanced Alzheimer's, and that didn't explain why she couldn't speak. The doctor simply said. "Yes."

So I don't actually know how she is at all, just that she is "not a well lady" - so why did the nurses make her sit up in a chair then? Why can't she stay asleep absorbing IV ab's, insulin and glucose in peace, since she was septic less than 24 hours ago?

I just feel utterly distraught, normally I would be there holding her hand and speaking for her. I can't do anything, if she dies the last time I spoke to her will be when she was sick and frightened and I wasn't even with her.

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SunshineCake · 08/05/2020 21:53

I'm so try for the loss of your Aunt, *@MortyFide.

I hope you both have a peaceful night Flowers.

MortyFide · 09/05/2020 15:03

Thanks both.

Things have gone very quiet now, I haven't been able to get a reply from the hospital yesterday or today so far - it just rings. But no news is always good, they would call if any plans were being rolled out or if mum suddenly took a turn.

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Bluetrews25 · 09/05/2020 19:56

Yes, no news is good news sometimes.

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MrsAvocet · 13/05/2020 19:39

Just wondering how you and your Mum are getting on now MortyFide?
I hope you are bearing up ok through this difficult time.

MortyFide · 14/05/2020 06:43

Thanks for thinking of us @MrsAvocet.

The hospital were very keen to discharge mum back to the care home on Monday - her bloods showed that her white count was coming up again and she had a slight temperature, so there is infection brewing somewhere (probably a return of the UTI).

But I had been quite positive about no further interventions, and the consultant felt it likely that she would decline much faster in hospital if they kept her in - did I think she would be more comfortable back in the familiarity of the care home, with palliative care and no trips back to hospital.

I agreed that would be nicer and mum always hated hospital, so they went about discharging her that day. Unfortunately we didn't account for the wrath and might of the new nursing manager at mums home, who gave the hospital an earful for "unethical and unprofessional discharge practices" and wouldn't accept her - when I called and crossly asked why mum had been turned away, she pointed out that that a) two previous Dr's accounts of mum's condition were inconsistent with the discharge summary; b) that they had failed to TWOC her which could result in a failed discharge; and c) that because nobody seemed to know when mum had last had a BM, they gave her 2 suppositories and booked an ambulance less than an hour later, which was unkind, unfair and undignified!

All good points, I conceded - christ, I'm glad she's looking out for mum as I wouldn't have known any of that!

Anyway, the hospital got their act together and she arrived back at the home at lunchtime on Tuesday instead (although the discharge sumnary was still wrong apparently).

It seems that she has settled back in well over the first 24 hours, and I can go and see her for 30 minutes on Friday. I really have no idea what stage we are at - the way the hospital told it, she is stable and clinically well although weak and frail, and only just taking enough food and water by mouth to stay hydrated without IV fluids.

But they admitted her last bloods (from Monday I think) were poor compared to last Friday. So I'm guessing that we are at "high needs nursing" stage now rather than "end of life", but that could change very soon.

On the financial side - bizarrely, mum is being 100% funded by the LA on "The Covid19 Pathway". I don't understand really, but CareUK negotiated a rate with them and the fully funded agreement is now live - they advised me to swiftly sign as POA and accept it! It's not CHC, and when I asked how long they would cover it for they just said "long term".

So that was an unexpected weight off my mind!

I'm hoping to see mum tomorrow, although I'm a bit anxious about how different she will look after 2 weeks in hospital not really eating.

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MortyFide · 14/05/2020 13:47

So on only her 2nd night back at the home, mum fell out of bed and was found on the floor. Shock

I asked if she had tried to get up in the night, and they said no as she is immobile - she must've simply rolled out. Luckily she had a crash mat and a pressure sensor, so no harm done and she wasn't there long, but...honestly mother!

The GP did a remote video consultation with her today and wouldn't prescribe the "white card", end of life drugs to have in reserve for if/when mum goes that way - at the moment she isn't classified as "end of life".

All well and good, except as the nursing manager said, she disagrees with the decision because they would rather there were suitable drugs prescribed and prepared in case mum takes a turn in the night or at a weekend when they use agency staff, as otherwise she could become agitated or develop pain which could not be dealt with immediately, but would have to wait for paramedics or a district nurse.

Exactly, in fact, what happened to somebody else parent or grandparent, described up-thread. Sad

They have allowed me to arrange to visit for 10 mins tomorrow, even though it flouts their "end of life only" rules...

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hellsbellsmelons · 14/05/2020 14:05

Oh bless her.
Does her bed not have side rails?
Hopefully it does so that won't happen again.
I'm glad you get to see her tomorrow.
It is a shock when they lose a lot of weight though, so be prepared.

Sending you (((((HUGS)))))

MrsAvocet · 14/05/2020 14:06

Oh my, you and your poor Mum have really been through the mill. I am glad she is back at the home and she is being funded though. That must be a huge weight off your mind.
Sounds like the home manager is switched on at least. Its annoying about the GP. I am sure the home nursing staff are perfectly capable of knowing when end of life drugs are appropriate but I guess the GP has rules they have to follow.
I hope you get to see your Mum today and that it is a positive experience for you both.

MortyFide · 14/05/2020 19:33

Thanks @hellsbellsmelons - they called me again this evening and I asked if her bed had side rails, but they somehow managed to divert me! I think she said she'd get the other nurse to discuss it with me, but the other nurse, whilst delightful, has such a very strong accent that I can't always understand what she's saying so I daren't ask too many questions.

They originally called just for the routine thing - we're updating her care plan, did you want to add anything or do you have any concerns etc (blimey she's only been back 48 hrs). That was when I mentioned the side rails.

They said she is drinking very little so they are doing "mouth care" (I didn't know what that was so they explained). She's not eating a great deal but apparently enjoyed some bread and butter pudding made with chocolate and cream! I said yeah she'd have loved that, she loves anything gooey and sweet. I asked if she was feeding herself, they said no, she is being "assisted" which I assume means they are feeding her.

She has a bit of a sensitive skin issue down below which they said they were looking after, but that's been an issue for a little while and it's not new. I've no idea why it doesn't clear up - although maybe it had, and if they've been using soap at the hospital it has flared up again.

Poor mum. I'm going in tomorrow, hopefully I won't be too shocked at the sight of her.

I'm totally bemused by the funding. I think it's an interim measure to get people out of hospital quickly, and it'll be paid until she gets assessed for CHC - which might not happen for ages as the assessors have been redeployed during the Covid crisis.

What happens if she doesn't qualify for CHC I don't know, I suppose she starts paying again???

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Bluetrews25 · 14/05/2020 20:00

Good about the funding, shame about the fall!
So stressful for you. xx

ShowOfHands · 14/05/2020 20:17

It was my grandma who was awaiting meds from a district nurse or locum at the end of life. She had anticipatory, end of life meds already prescribed but the care home were not allowed to administer. Nor were the paramedics. It is worth asking what care the home is authorised to administer so you know whether you will be reliant on a district nurse at some point. It's better to call them to fit a driver sooner rather than later ime. When the time comes of course.

After my grandma left hospital, she had to have side rails up at all time and she drank only high calorie milkshakes, v weak coffee occasionally and ate the odd mouthful of sloppy puddings. She was reliant on mouth care for the last 3 weeks as she just couldn't manage fluids.

MortyFide · 14/05/2020 20:37

Yes of course, sorry @ShowOfHands - I should've checked before posting "someone". Blush

Weren't authorised to administer, that's crazy? I'll check tomorrow - I'd better make a list of questions, the nursing manager is so single minded that I get completely wrong footed whenever I speak to her.

They did say Mum managed 200ml of squash this morning. I was going to ask whether they might move her onto shakes, but apparently she managed some soup at lunchtime as well as the pudding.

They keep saying "not very mobile at the moment", "not eating or drinking much at the moment", "she's just very tired" etc. As though she's going to make a miraculous recovery over the next few days. This irritates me disproportionately. I know they are trying to be positive but it irks me. She's not going to get better is she, let's be realistic.

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hellsbellsmelons · 15/05/2020 08:38

Having been there, no she probably won't get better now.
But each individual is different, so you just never know.
Make sure they put her in a bed with side rails.
Is she able to get up to go to the toilet?
I know my mum was in adult nappies. If she is too, that may be why she is sensitive down below. So ask questions about that too.
This is all so heartbreaking.

I really hope you get some reassurance later.

MortyFide · 15/05/2020 11:16

No, she is completely immobile - cannot transfer from bed to chair, and cannot sit up for more than a few minutes without slumping (she has no sitting balance). I believe she is being hoisted for bathing etc, not sure if they are trying to sit her out but will find out later.

She has an indwelling urinary catheter as her bladder no longer empties, and I think she is wearing pads for the rest. She has always had very sensitive skin and after a few accidents just before she went into full time care, she did get terribly sore and itchy which was treated. She wasn't incontinent before this hospital stay, so I suspect its recent events and spending two weeks in pads she isn't accustomed to which have kicked it off this soreness and pruritus again.

The nurse said she was "very wriggly" - I would suggest she might be feeling very itchy and uncomfortable!

My poor mother, this is torture. I hope she has very little awareness of it all.

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Bluetrews25 · 15/05/2020 19:17

I'd hope she's blissfully unaware.
No, they should not sit her out unless it's in a tilt-in-space chair or a good recliner, if she has no sitting balance. She would slide or fall out of an ordinary chair at worst, or be really uncomfortable at best.

MortyFide · 15/05/2020 19:23

Thanks Bluetrews. Went to visit mum today, dear God it was grim. When I walked into the room she looked dead already - I was expecting her to look thin and poorly, but not actually like a dead body.

I didn't know what I was looking at initially, when I saw brown stuff all over her bedding, nightie, and on her hands - then the nurse looked faintly peeved (said they had literally finished cleaning her up ten minutes previously) and I realised. She'd basically got her hands down below and spread poo everywhere.

So I was ushered out again while they gathered up another nurse, fetched the hoist, and went through the whole showering process again. I chatted to the nursing manager boring obnoxious self-important woman who is vile to her staff while I was waiting - mum is now having trouble swallowing, which is the next stage of dementia I guess. So they are giving her softened food and thickened drinks, and starting liquid medication. She can sit up a little in the bed, but not in a chair.

When I went back in she sort of recognised me - I could see her staring (through one eye, as the other one seems to be glued shut) trying to place me but she did smile a little. She looked pained and asked for a drink, she had some squash and murmured that it was nice. I had a couple of letters that her old friends had written to her, so I read those to her but she didn't really react or respond, she just stared ahead.

Eventually I touched her shoulder and told her that my brother sent his love, that we missed her and talked about her every day and reminisced about what a wonderful mum she was. I said I know she must be feeling fed up with it all, so she was free to drift off and leave whenever she was ready. When I left, at the doorway I took my mask off, called put "Bye mum, I love you!" and waved, and she gave me a gummy smile.

Please God, don't let her suffer anymore.

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StormsDontLastForever · 15/05/2020 19:26

My heart is breaking for you but so glad you got to spend some precious time with her today. Sending a virtual hug ThanksThanks

MrsAvocet · 15/05/2020 19:34

Oh that's heartbreaking MortyFide. I had hoped that you would have better news and that the nursing manager was going to be a helpful person, not a hindrance.
I hope the suffering is over for you both soon.

MortyFide · 15/05/2020 19:51

Thank you both. I veer from feeling clear headed and prepared for what's coming, to thinking about how she used to be (or hearing a silly expression she used to use) and bursting into tears.

The nursing manager is super efficient and I'm glad she's looking out for mums bests interest, that's for sure. But she was horrible to me when the nurse sent me straight to the nurses station to see her while they cleaned mum up, forgetting to have me take off all the PPE inside the room before I left. So she tore a right strip off me and sent me packing, following me back along the corridor to berate both nurses as well as pathetic tears ran down my face. I just wanted to see my mum after 2 months, I didn't want to see her wiped in shite and then get a bollocking from a woman resembling Les Dawson. Christ she loves the sound of her own voice, mum would loathe her.

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magimedi · 15/05/2020 20:24

Mortyfide, my heart goes out to you.

My mum had dementia & died some 25 years ago. All I can offer you as comfort is that once your mumis gone it won't take long before you only remember her as she was when she was well, not with the awful dementia.

I have to really focus to think about the dementia time of my mum & when I think of her (daily) it is as she was in her prime.

Wishing you strength for this dreadful time.

Flowers
gondrinkin · 15/05/2020 21:10

Oh Morty, I've been following your news but don't feel I can lurk any longer Flowers for you, hope you both get some peace soon

Honeyroar · 15/05/2020 22:07

Oh I’m sorry Mortyfide. That sounds a horrible shock. Dementia is just horrible. My MIL has it quite advanced, but she’s in a wonderful hone, which makes a big difference and lessens the stress for us.

MortyFide · 16/05/2020 13:42

Thanks all. I just feel so sad that she no longer responds, she seems to have tuned everything out. That's the dementia I suppose. The only time she lit up a tiny bit was when I pulled my mask down so she could see my face, but she struggled to place me. I'm pretty sure she still thinks I'm her sister - the nurses said that when they said her daughter, was here, she repeated the name but it was my auntie's name, which is very similar to mine. And I have similar features, hair and colouring too.

She's been calling me that for ages, it's fine. I'm feeling a bit emotional today, every song on the radio makes me cry and I feel tired like I could nod off at any time.

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Honeyroar · 16/05/2020 19:50

That’s the way it often goes. My MIL called my husband/her son her husband’s name for ages, and called her grandson by her son’s name. Her care home has their pictures on their bedroom doors, but she thought it was a picture of her mother.

You’re probably worn out after this rollercoaster ride. Take a couple of days to build yourself up. Cry if you like, catch up with your sleep. You need your strength/health too.

Bluetrews25 · 16/05/2020 21:03

Oh Morty.
I'm sorry, that sounds terrible.
It's awful to wish someone dies soon, especially a parent. (Been there)
Thinking of you.

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