German translation help

[bettybattenburg]

Can anybody shed any light on what 'Muslen-Jockel' means please? Google translate unhelpfully says 'Muslim Yockel' but I'm not sure what that would be in 18th century Germany.

Thanks.

Any context OP? I doubt I can help, not being a native speaker, but is it possible that it's Jockei (jockey), not Jockel?

You say C18th - it might be sensible to give the region as well as the source, if you can.

Are you interpreting something hand written? Could you have misinterpreted any of the letters? Spelling rules were different in the 18th century.

It's in the area of Baden-Wurttemburg and is a list of names, the others are preceded what I think is an occupation like 'Zollers' and 'Bauer'

"Die Muslen" is a part of the town of Schwenningen in Baden-Württemberg. There's a "Muslenplatz" and an "In der Muslen" now, but in the C17th it would have been a village called Muslen.
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DeepL often translates better than Google.

I think that's why it's "Muslen hyphen" not a typical compound noun; it indicates that this person came from elsewhere.

Jockel is a Bavarian pet form of Jacob, apparently. Don't think that qualifies as a profession though.

Are you sure they are professions? Not maiden names or something? Zollers sounds more like a name too.

There were definitely Muslims in 18th century Germany (mostly diplomats and traders from Turkey). Mostly in the south.

I don't know what those words mean and Muslen doesn't mean Muslim, I think Google has found a best for English spelling correction not a translation. I think that's the wrong track.

A quick Google suggests Muslen might be a place name or an old place name, perhaps where the individual came from:

www.neue-strassen.de/baden-wuerttemberg/villingen-schwenningen/in-der-muslen

www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/inhalt.villingen-schwenningen-es-lebt-sich-gut-am-puls-der-stadt.f553626a-4f6a-4ec3-b52b-5197b0c2dec0.html

DH is from BW
Jockel is a first name that used to be common in that region (and nowhere else) . Very very very old fashioned now as it has become a byname for uneducated.
Muslen is a place.

'Jockel from Muslen' to differentiate from any other Jockels about the place. It's a commen grammatical construction in old fashioned and / or regional speech.

Muslims would not have been called Jockel.

Oooh, are Jockel and yokel the same word? Fun!

Yep, the same root. Diffent developement of meaning.

Thank you all, especially Prokupatus (or DH!).
I thought Zollers was something to do with taxes and Bauer was something to do with agriculture.
Jacob is a common name later on in the lists I have and some of them were from Schwenningen so one earlier being from Muslen isn't all that unlikely.

Oh and Limpid they are all men and the maiden names of their wives are different, from what little I have. They are names listed in an old bible which we found in the attic years ago, we bought the house from an old couple who had no children so the chances of it being reunited with anybody is remote.

I have just transferred the dates of a BW village into my genealogy software. DH's family and 7 other families reoccupied an empty village around 1580 and then stayed there.
Most men are called Johann + another name.
The family names give a hint to where the family originally came from (village + er), though I probaly never find the roots of 'Michel ut Gallia'

Occupations are often the root for names, that's why I asked. You're quite right that Bauer is farmer and Zoll is duty, but with the addition I just wondered if names were the more likely.

Gallia is a huge area isn't it, needle in a hay stack time. Most of the people in the bible stayed in the area but I know a couple emigrated.

betty
The parson (Pfarrer) who recorded the wedding meant Gallien = the French speaking area, which isn' t a smaller haystack.
It was also recorded that this special parson liked his wine - which is reflected in his record keeping.