Why don't Momentum set up their own party?

[GeordieTerf]

Just that really. I used to be a Labour voter, but for various reasons, I can no longer vote for them. One of those reasons is Momentum, a far left lobby group within Labour.

I've just read that Momentum are already unhappy with Kier (who has been doing the job a whole three days!). It got me thinking: why don't Momentum just step up their own party? Am I missing something obvious?

Too much like hard work. They piggybacked on a century of Labour Party organisation and used the party within a party approach that Neil Kinnock had managed to kick out a generation ago after Militant Tendency made Labour unelectable in the 80s.

I hope Starmer proves to be made of the same stern stuff and tells them where to go, taking luxury communism and identity politics with them. It's got very little to do with the real challenges facing the UK and other developed nations today.

Besides being hard work I think they know that it would be quite spectacularly unsuccessful....

Indeed! The December election result should have shown them that. Ten years of Austerity and Labour defeated four times in a general election.

Momentum should just disappear. The members I've met have been absolute mouth-breathers.

Because why would they? They'd be a little nothing of a party that would have barely any funding, win no seats, and lose their deposit in the few seats they fielded a candidate for. They would be an irrelevance.

Much better to make a power grab from within an existing party, as they have done. They don't care that they are making that party unelectable, because they still have more power than they would have had on their own, and they are so full of smug moral superiority that they ignore the actual losses inflicted on the party they've hijacked and congratulate themselves on "winning the argument" instead.

Dicks.

I agree with the others. They are piggybacking on a successful party; they know (or should know from the latest election results) that nobody would vote for them if they formed their own party.

I just don't understand why Momentum are so flipping sure that they're right about everything, yet they won't put their money where their mouth is and prove it... they are one of the reasons why Labour is dying a fiery death! I wish they'd just fuck off and do their own thing.

I hope they kick the buyers out is that they have to start their own party. After the misogynists.

As PPs say, they have no incentive to do that.

Because they’re parasites

And if Kier Starmer is pissing them off, that’s a good sign about him IMO!

Buyers? Buggers!

Because they’re parasites

Absolutely agree

I wish party politics would just disappear completely.

Wouldn't it be great if each area could just choose an independent candidate who would represent the local views and needs nationally. A leader/ prime minister could then be elected by the representatives.

No more voting with the whip etc, just straightforward 'vote for what you think is right and the majority wins'

They think they are the true socialists. They wish everyone else would fuck off out of their Labour party so they can make it pure again. They are doing a pretty good job so far of keeping only the most pure in the membership and the electorate.

Chances are actual centre left people will have to set up a new sensible party instead.

I used to know a few chaps who considered themselves "real socialists" .

Did absolutely fuck all but talk about how right they were.

I used to be a Labour activist an important marginal seat in the East Midlands. In those days, we used to actually win elections.

What this taught me is that the hard left don’t care about winning. Never have, never will. They do care about four things :

1, Ideology

2, Palestine, AKA ‘anti-zionism’.

3, Hating the USA, AKA ‘anti-imperialism’.

4, Taking control of the Labour Party in order to impose its policies on these issues on the party.

No compromises with the electorate, comrades!

Why don't they join with the socialist workers party

Even the SWP wouldn’t have them.

Bezalelle
The ones I've met have been absolute mouth-breathers

What does this mean?

Judean People's Front

People's Front of Judea!!

I agree with the others. They are piggybacking on a successful party; they know (or should know from the latest election results) that nobody would vote for them if they formed their own party.

Formerly successful party.

But, @boatyardblues, they are the reason that Labour is not more successful!

Oh I know. They’re a huge problem for the party.