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My dog keeps trying to mount my puppy.

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 19:52

My dog is one. Pup is 6 months.

I wanted my male dog to mature before I got his balls chopped as I read the lack of them during growth can cause issues, even cancer.
Vet recommended 1 year.

Which worked well with female dog still being a puppy.

He was booked in March but due to lockdown they cancelled.

I've called every vet in the area, non of them will do it.

They won't even give him the temporary castration injection.

I live in a very small house. Downstairs is 2 rooms, which cannot be seperated.

Hes constantly trying to mount her.

I don't think she's in season and he doesn't even look like he is aroused but it's stressing me out.

Any ideas when the vets will be able to do castration again??

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 19:54

I am trying my best to keep them separated at all costs but it's really hard, I top of everything that is happening right now. Kids at home etc... Its just driving me crazy

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 20:37

Could I put dog incontinence pants on her to protect her?

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plunkplunkfizz · 05/04/2020 21:34

Any reason you got two dogs so close together in time when uncastrated? Sounds like a recipe for trouble.

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 21:37

Ohfor fucks sake. Really?

Like I could predict this! He was booked in to be castrated at the time recommended by my vet. How could I possibly know all vets in the country would stop doing unnecessary ops?

Come on. If this corona shit hadn't gone down he would have been neutered weeks ago.

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 21:38

And how is that in any way helpful? Bore off if you don't have any useful information.

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Cherrysoup · 05/04/2020 23:12

This could be a dominance/training issue. You need to train him out of this, big firm no. Some bitches will have a silent season so you won’t notice, but he will.

I think a pp asked a fair question. Why not get him done (please research, leaving dogs entire might actually be better for them ivcjournal.com/spay-neuter-considerations/?fbclid=IwAR2penrg2354jNPgvOOeD8hGJ5GxAx2Vjq6ygVCvPfn_XXp6MRG7NLDPDZ8) before getting a bitch? Looking at one of mine, having him neutered didn’t change the behaviour. He likes to hump young female people, just horrific! We’re very antisocial so it’s a rare thing. Even neutered dogs can achieve a full tie.

Worst case scenario, you need to keep them separate which you should do from right now just in case. They should never be left together. If a vet won’t even give you the neuter injection, they won’t give you the morning after injection for the bitch either. Have you tried a different vet?

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 23:24

They said they WILL give an abortion injection as that would be an emergency procedure.

I tried to reason that prevention is better than cure but they said I was asking them to break the law

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 23:25

I talked to my vet about getting my girl and he said she wouldn't have come in season by his 1st birthday so he scheduled it for then. I simply did as advised by my vet of 8 years

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Sonichu · 05/04/2020 23:35

"Like I could predict this! He was booked in to be castrated at the time recommended by my vet."

You couldn't predict a dog might try and mount a bitch? Really?

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 23:37

Of course I did. That's why I had him booked in for the op before this behaviour started and before she was predicted to have her first heat.

The prediction was in relation to the covid shut down, smartie pants.

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Sonichu · 05/04/2020 23:42

"The prediction was in relation to the covid shut down, smartie pants."

Yeh, because that's the only reason why the surgery would ever be postponed/ cancelled, and of course it's possible to 100% accurately predict when a bitch might have her first season.

At least I'm "smartie pants" enough not to be this fucking stupid.

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NorahsBatty · 05/04/2020 23:46

In what other situation would every single vets be shut?

If mine had a fire I would go to one of the other 25 locally the following day.

Who would really plan for all vet services shutting down, this stuff is unbelievable. It's not something anyone without a tinfoil hat on would have normally planned for!

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Curoi · 05/04/2020 23:53

What did the vets suggest? I also wonder if some trainer can give tips? Mumsnet can be so unfair sometimes but no one could've predicted this so don't be too hard on your self especially when the abortion injection is still available

SoapIsYourFriend · 06/04/2020 03:24

Stairgates are your friend. We use them a lot and have a five year old neutered male humper.

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NorahsBatty · 06/04/2020 09:57

The vet said to bring her in if she gets pregnant! We ended up having a bit of an argument tbh.

He also suggested I give one of my dogs to someone until this is over and he can get neutered. Hmm

Down stairs is just open plan living room kitchen so impossible to use stairgates.

Thankyou for understanding. I'm not a neglectful owner.

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VetOnCall · 06/04/2020 10:21

Your bitch could come into season any time now so you do really need a cast-iron way of keeping them apart. Suggesting sending one of them to stay with family or a friend if/when she comes into season - if at all possible - is actually a pretty sensible idea. Putting pants on her unfortunately won't be enough of a barrier.

The humping could be hormonal and related to her smell as she starts to sexually mature, or it could be excitement/play - even female dogs will sometimes hump each other in excitement. However I think your bigger issue is having two unneutered dogs in an open-plan house with children around (notoriously bad at keeping doors shut in these circumstances, I've seen it a thousand times). Your bitch needs to be protected, she's far too young to risk becoming pregnant, so if you do have any family or friends who could take your male dog for a while I really would think about it. Bear in mind they can still get a bitch pregnant for up to 6 weeks after castration too.

Frlrlrubert · 06/04/2020 10:33

I know you said it's open plan but what about those concertina playpen/barriers. It may not be pretty, we had all sorts of ugly solutions to separation when we had various combinations of cats/puppy dog/baby toddler/puppy.

Esssa · 06/04/2020 10:45

I am having this with my 2 of a similar age. 17 months and 6.5 months. I think its more a dominance thing anyway as mine are both bitches. It is also why they are both bitches as I have no intention of spaying them either before 2 years of age and/or it becomes necessary. I have just been telling them off and left it at that so far but I don't have the same problem you have. Is it full on mating behaviour or just humping at the moment? Crate and rotate may be your only option or keep him or both dogs tethered to different people to keep them apart and in sight the whole time. I would be wary of the mismate injection if it unfortunately becomes necessary. My dad is a breeder and he says he won't use it again as both dogs he's used it on have had mammary cancers as they've got older.

Yamihere · 06/04/2020 10:51

Unfortunately you are going to find this situation very difficult. Separation is the only solution for this short term. If you cant/won't find someone to look after one of the dogs, different rooms in your house will have to do.
When dogs are in the same room watch them continually, look for the signs your dog is about to mount the puppy, like following, sniffing or pawing the female and remove him from the room immediately. Give him something to do, like a food puzzle in a different room away from the female once you have removed him. Don't punish, and try and not get frustrated. It's a horrible situation for you to be in but with patience and understanding and a strict management plan you will get through this.
Remember your male will be an adolescent with hormones more in control of his behaviour and will find it difficult if not impossible to listen to you if he smells a female in heat.
Look for a trainer (check their credentials out first as there are a lot of hacks in the industry), many will be doing remote consultations. Trainers will be a lot less judgemental than random internet people.

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NorahsBatty · 06/04/2020 13:44

I really don't have anyone that could take either of them :(

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permana · 06/04/2020 20:42

Can you ask all your friends and family to ask all their friends and family if someone can take one of the dogs from you short term?
Otherwise you will have to cage or baby-gate the dogs way from each other.

You only have two choices,

or wait until your bitch gets pregnant and have the expense and worry of having the puppies terminated.

VetOnCall · 06/04/2020 21:50

If there's absolutely nowhere that he can go then you need to watch your bitch carefully for signs of coming into season and have door locks, a crate(a) and babygates in place, and a cast-iron plan for keeping them apart. Dogs can open doors and mate through babygates if they're determined enough so you need multiple physical barriers for a belt and braces approach. You'll have to make sure she isn't out of your sight at any time so that an accident can't happen. Ideally have her attached to you at all times via harness and leash - take her to the bathroom with you, sleep with her in your room etc. while other family members take care of your male dog separately. He's likely to be distressed by smelling her, especially when she's in her peak fertile days, and may go off his food, howl and mark in the house.

I have had entire dogs and bitches together myself (currently just have bitches) but I had my home/life set up for it, an exceptionally well behaved male dog, and no children so if I locked a door I knew it would stay locked. In many years of having both sexes I never had an accidental mating, but it takes careful planning and management.

Bitches are only fertile for a few days in their season but without blood testing you can't actually know when this is so they'll have to be kept apart for the duration, which is 3-4 weeks. They usually ovulate roughly midway through but I have known bitches to ovulate as early as day 3 and as late as day 21. The days are counted from the first day of bleeding - although some bitches are very light bleeders and/or keep themselves very clean so look for other signs too such as swelling of the vulva, increased licking at herself, increased urination, and increased interest/sniffing from your male dog.

VetOnCall · 06/04/2020 21:52

Should say a crate(s).

Cherrysoup · 06/04/2020 21:58

Most fertile days are 9-13. She could well be having a season. I have no idea why your vet said she wouldn’t yet, every dog is different.

VetOnCall · 06/04/2020 22:28

Most fertile days are 9-13

No, this is not correct. Generally speaking many bitches will ovulate between day 10 and 14 of their season but by no means all.

As I said in my previous post I have progesterone tested bitches and found them to be ovulating as early as day 3 and as late as day 20+. The last litter I bred from my Champion bitch was from mating on days 17 and 19 after progesterone testing from day 10 onwards. The same bitch will not usually ovulate on the same day of each season either.

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