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Should I Take Back Clothing I Gave to DD to Look Through...

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RockinHippy · 31/03/2020 16:32

Probably more of a AIBU but severe lack of sleep means I can't find it.

Yesterday morning I gave my Teen DD a bag of my old stuff I found in an attic clear out, bikinis, nice underwear, much of it never worn, tops etc etc. I said to have a look through it & to let me know if she wanted any of it. She took stuff without saying a word, no thank you or anything p. The only way I knew she liked any of it was because she was wearing a top around the house & I saw a SM post where she was raving to her friends about the cool new vintage hand me downs I'd given her.

She is being beyond vile to me. This isn't a new thing & comes in waves. I've realised that basically the more I try & interact with her the more vile she is. Cold, calm & very, very cutting, nasty & smacks of emotional abuse. As you can guess, lock down is great fun & after her laying into me last night had me I tears where she was the laughing & telling me how much I disgust her as I do pathetic. I'm not a cryer & she's rarely seen me cry, so that hurt. Lots more, gaslighting me regularly & telling DH a different version of events.

DH is about as much good as a wet fart when it comes to any kind of discipline & always had been, had his excuses when she was small, which don't wash now she's bigger than I am. He's constant playing devils advocate & taking her side & believes her version that I must have misheard what she said, when I absolutely didn't. She's majoring in Psychology & I'm frequently psychoanalysed & told my mental flaws in the nastiest way she can, using my poor relationship with my own Narc DM to back up what she calls me etc etc.

So as you can imagine lockdown is great fun here & I'm at breaking point. I feel for her as in its very difficult for her & I know there's lots of layers to this behaviour & I want to support her, but how can I just let her vile behaviour towards me go, which DH thinks I should & we are arguing too. She enjoys us arguing & has told me that she hopes we split up, so she can "get rid of me fir good & stay with dad"

After giving her the bag of stuff, she set about me again last night & told me very calmly when I asked how we could sort this mess out as locked up together & this behaviour is no good to any of us & what have I done to make her hate me so much. I was told very nastily"I just despise everything about you, that just how it is & I'll be glad when you have gone" along with a lot more vileness

I want to take the bag of stuff back, some of it was expensive items & I regret giving it to her when she treats me like this. I think letting her keep it says she can do what she likes without consequences. DH says not to as it'll just make the situation worse & we don't want her running away --his new excuse fir doing fuck all parenting

-- So I'm asking here - WWYD

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JoshLymanIsHotterThanSam · 31/03/2020 21:24

Abuse in what way? I ask as a child who was abused but who’s parents would probably not see it. I’m not saying you are or did abuse her but you need to get to the bottom of what has happened I think.

RockinHippy · 31/03/2020 21:59

I was also abused as a DC, so trust me this hurts like nothing has ever hurt before as I would never do that to her.

DH has made her show her phone & the texts to her counsellor are real. Only she's text that I've thrown her out. I haven't. I said we had to find a way to fix this as we can't go on this way as it's making us both ill & if she won't engage with that, which she has said, then there is no way forward & she will have to leave.

I'm posting a copy of my otter post which should answer your questions. She's in a high risk virus group & she's now planning to leave. I am so scared

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Name changed to protect DD as I'm not that secretive usually, Pom bears, niece ham, penis beaker etc

Please be gentle I am on my absolute last knee blubbering wreck & don't know where to turn as even with DH here I feel I have no one I can speak to. I'm not even fully sure I know how to explain it all. Bar DD hates me & is imagining things I do & say & my reasons for it that are miles from the actual truth. She is manipulative with DH, so he only ever sees tears from her & not the constant quiet manipulative abuse & accusations I'm getting from her. There's a lot to explain & I stuck with drip feeding, or writing a novel.

DD is just 17, with significant health problems & likely Aspergers. Not diagnosed due to failing system & still waiting for yet another assessment to come though. GP agrees as it's linked to her other diagnosis. She is very high functioning, but struggles with Anxiety, SPD etc. I'm mentioned this incase someone knows if this has any baring in current behaviour, as she is really scaring me. It also means she needs a lot of support, which where as she's always been grateful, she seems very very angry about now. Suddenly hissing me that she will,do things for herself as she doesn’t need me & it’s none of my business, yet she usually struggles to cope. I would love nothing more for her to be independent as I do struggle to cope, but of course I put her needs first & just get on with it. This is why it’s so strange & hurtful that she’s accusing me of being controlling by helping her.

She has also recently been sexually assaulted, which trying to have her acknowledge what happened was an assault & to consider reporting it, has opened up a can of worms with her screaming at me that it's no big deal as she's had far worse happen & then implied she has been raped. She then clammed up. I think this is the crux of it, but I don't know as she then also screams at me at other times that it's made her stronger & she takes no crap anymore, so she is fine. I'm not seeing that, I seeing angry, hurt & lasting out, but it's the cold, manipulative anger towards me that makes it really hard to focus on that. I'm also very ill myself, more so at the moment with some extra scary stuff going on for me. Even that scares me, as I don't want her to have to live with herself for having treat me so badly if for any reason I don't make it, which isn’t an over reaction, though she knows nothing of that. Yet the thought of lights out, it having to deal with this anymore feels scarily alluring & I’m scared by that thought & feel such a failure for not coping better .

I've been concerned something was wrong for some time, it was hard to put my finger on & DH thought I was being ott & she's just being a teen. Mothers instinct & all that. I felt she was self harming in a weird way. She takes an array of supplements that help her medical conditions, some on medical advice, some we've worked out help her symptoms. She knows they help & has been taking them for years. She needs nagging to take them, as her diagnosis means she can be really forgetful & can forget even when put in her hand. In the last few months I've found these pills in her pockets when doing the laundry & in dishes, or even cups around her room. We tackled her & she owned up to deliberately hiding them & avoiding taking them, but doesn't know why. We've noticed as some help with mood swings, period troubles etc & she has been more ill & quite frankly really vile without them.

She also has intolerances & a now minor allergy, so needs to avoid certain foods & drinks & generally eat healthy due to quite a restrictive diet as she's vegetarian too. Because of this I've cooked from scratch for her since day one. She's using an allowance to buy absolute crap, things she knows she shouldn't eat & have no nutritional value at all then leaving healthy meals I cook for her & this is also affecting her health.

The next bit is so hard to explain, as I'm sure on the surface it looks like I'm over reacting, but it's just an ongoing negative attitude towards me. Manipulative to make it look to her dad that I'm the problem as she pushes me to react by quietly being very hurtful. Things like telling me that she is going to counselling, but so she can talk about what an abusive controlling mum she has & how much the counsellor agrees. She also throws in my face my years of my fighting for her medical needs with doctors & accusations of FII from one doctor as proof I'm controlling & it's already on her medical records. That hurts so much as she was so ill, I was literally fighting fir her life, at the expense of my own health & I was proven right in the end & the treatment I fought so hard for made a huge difference to her health & still does. She’s also constantly very restless & cant just relax at home anymore, has o occupy her mind. Which I feel mans she isn’t coping at all.

She has a friend living independently who was rehoused because of an abusive family situation & sometimes it feels like that's what DD wants & is manipulating a situation. I'm not sure anymore who she is. I've caught her bitching & tbh bullying certain boys as a bit of fun with her newer friends. DD was never that sort of girl, quite the opposite & she's been the victim of social bullying herself, so knows too well what it is.

She studies psychology & uses it to great effect as a stick to beat me with. Never shouting, always so cold & nasty when she does it. Takes food I cook & leaves it, even if cooked specify fir her & seems to enjoy telling me what was wrong it’s it. Generally just constant, quiet put downs that are taking their toll as I’m physically so run down. I'm a failure as a mother & she enjoys telling me exactly how. The scary thing being that if she was a DP, she'd be emotionally abusive, because that's exactly how it feels, but she tells me Im the abuser. It’s been going on for so long I realise I feel really broken

She won't visit my 84 year old dad with me, has made excuses for the last year not to go. Difficult family situation as my DB is the golden boy Narc & since he has gone NC with me & DF, things have been much much better & DF is ill & lonely & idolises DD, so I’m embarrassed to go without her, but can’t explain to DF & I’m not well enough to travel alone, but DH can’t due to work commitment & we don’t trust leaving her at home alone right now.

New boy involved who were really don't approve of, but mainly because he's already treat her badly & she’s justified it to herself when we saw how hurt she was by what he did. She's insisting that I give her my blessing, which I've said than neither I nor DH can do as we'd be lying. She's had other BFs we didn't approve of we were more than right unfortunately but never insisted that I give her my blessing as she is now. In her head, this is all because I'm controlling & choosing her boyfriends & that's why she hates me. We don't really think she's in a head place to complicate things with another unsuitable boy, but we accept that's her choice. She now tells me than an ex that we did make welcome hit her when she refused sex with him. Insists she told me before, but didn’t & has now she said blames me for making him welcome.

Tonight she’s ran away, she’s never ignored us before like she did & from things said tonight it feels as if she thinks her college counsellor has told her to stand up to us more. She has a lot of freedom, more than most as she’s always been so sensible, so this isn’t reality. I did contact her friends DM & she sent her home, but she didn’t come home & went to another friends house. We feel she’s too vulnerable right now to be sharing a bed with a male friend who’s obviously doted in her for years. DH has now driven to get her & is bringing her home so long as I’m not around. I suspect hormones at play too as she can be very irrational, paranoid & angry ahead of her period, especially if she’s been skipping supplements again.

Sorry I’m rambling, I’m ashamed I can’t cope & feel so scared that she’s painting me as this evil witch to everyone else, something she’s done with her friends fir years. But now seems to believe it herself. That hurts & im not coping & I feel broken that some dirty bastard did this too her & I’m being punished fir it, but I don’t know how to get through to her. I don’t even know if I’m making sense.

Any advise or insight gratefully received

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RockinHippy · 31/03/2020 22:08

Sorry, I copied the wrong post I'm a mess right now. This is tge one that should explain sorry not typing more but I'm losing use of my hand due to next issue flare up...

DDs behaviour over the last few days has blown hot & cold, I realised fairly quickly that she was nice & chatty to me when she wanted something. She's mostly been normal with her DF/DH
She made a point of ruining my birthday & was clearly gloating when I pointed out to her what she had done. She rolled in mid afternoon with a gift wrapped gift from our closest shop & handing it to me with a smirk in the bag from the shop, making it clear it was an afterthought. She rolled in & rolled back out again, but not before I tried to talk to her, tell her we love her & want to help etc but can she please try & help me understand what is going on, only to be told how much I disgust her & that she neither needs nor wants my love & support, she loves me because I'm her mother & she has to, but she doesn't like me & I'm abusive, but I won't own up to it. Half an hour later she was trying to wheedle cooking wine out of me to take to another friends birthday wine party. The only happy birthday I got from her was a text at 10 the night before my birthday telling me 'I'm busy with my friends, so texting you happy birthday now"

NAS also said they'd have concerns about the counselling if it's not ASD targeted as it can be taken too literally & that could make some sense as to the timing of what we were dealing with now too.

Talking gently to DD more today to ask her to help me understand what I've done from her POV, she eventually gave 3 examples of my "abuse & homophobia to her" all of which her version of events are scarily far from the truth. I know her to have an excellent memory of details of events, so I asked her for details of when these things happened, one of which was a conversation at her GFs house, which happened when I was filling his dishwasher. GF doesn't have a dishwasher, but I'm expected to believe I had a homophobic rant at her & called her a slut because that's what bisexual people are. Turns out she has told DH this version of events too & he laughed at her as it was so ridiculous coming from a 13 yo with gay godparents & who has grown up amongst more LGBT friends than most. We didn't take it seriously at the time as it was just so ridiculous to accuse me of homophobia. But she really seems to believe it & I don't know how to handle that.

She also believes I told her that her that it would be her fault if she had been raped when she got stuck in a strange town miles from home & crashed at a strange boys. No way in hell would I say that & I remember the night & aftermath well as she scared the life out of me & I was awake all night worrying. DH laughed at this too when she told him months back & said I'd had a go at him for far less victim blaming than that, so she must have misunderstood what had been said.

Same sort of thing with the other incident too when she was 14, one where I ended up with a broken bone in my hand & I did in far from my finest moment try & physically block her leaving the house to meet friends we'd banned her from seeing due to their drug taking & DD being easily lead. Ive apologised a million times over, not least because I saw the horror on her face when she realised she'd crushed my hand. Though I saw the determination & anger in her face when she smacked my hand against the wall, but I wanted to protect her from that, so played it down & I suppose have let her mis remember that event. I did take hold her very long hair to stop her ignoring us & leaving the house & it got physical. I never pulled her hair or hit her, but her fighting back meant her hair got pulled & that's what she remembers, along with my pouring incense burner ash in her hair, a completely different version to my memory & what DH remembers too. Even the time line of events can be proven wrong, which friends she was meeting, we weren't stopping her from going out to take MDMA, which was the truth, but she was meeting other friends at a different time & she really seems to believe this & is so angry that I won't admit to it & apologise. I tried to apologise that things happened in a way to make her believe these things, but she got more angry & started psychoanalysing me & getting nasty.

Half hour later, she's chatting like nothing happened in the kitchen, but still with an edge in that she's showing off food that she's bought & knows she shouldn't be having due to urticaria etc. I didn't bite & it was okay, but I'm at a loss to fully understand what she's playing at.

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lunar1 · 31/03/2020 22:15

I think I remember your other post, was it about the councillor not engaging with you regarding your daughters sessions?

RockinHippy · 31/03/2020 22:18

Luna, no, counsellor has never engaged with us in anyway. DH now very angry about that when he's seen that the text to leave us real as he can't understand how they could just take a teens word fir it without investigation

It was about how bad things were & my bring at a loss with how to cope or even understand why

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mummymayhem18 · 31/03/2020 23:20

It sounds horrible to live with for both of you. I think you would both benefit from going to see a councillor together and talking through your issues.

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