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Am I on a slippery slope towards alcoholism?

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WhatDoIDooDIoDtahW · 08/03/2020 19:33

I’ve always liked a drink, but I don’t get absolutely hammered. If I go ‘out out’ I can get drunk, but I’ve never liked the experience of being bladdered or hangovers..

However, since buying and moving out with DP I do like the occasional wine or g&t in the evening. My issue is, since DD was born (10 weeks ago) I’ve loved loved having a glass (or two) of g&t every night.

That’s fine, I’m my opinion, but if I’m not going anywhere and DP is home, I’ll have a g&t at 2pm.. then have the occasional one until I go to bed.

So in summary. On weekdays I have a g&t or two in the evening, but on weekends I’m a ‘it’s 5pm somewhere’ type of person.

What brought me to question this is my daughter is only 10 weeks old. I didn’t drink for 4 weeks after her birth. So in 6 weeks I’ve managed to polish off 4 full size bottles of gin and one or two bottles of wine.

The bottles are lined up in my kitchen as I’ve been keeping the bottles to try and use for something creative eventually. But adding another pink gin bottle to the collection tonight made me realise just how much I’ve consumed Blush

Does it matter as long as I’m not drunk every night?

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LaserShark · 08/03/2020 20:34

I sympathise. I’ve recently become self employed and have a bit of an ‘on holiday’ kind of feeling all the time. I don’t NEED a drink but I love having a glass of wine or a G&T and tend to think ‘why not?’

The thing is, there are still reasons why not. It’s bad for my sleep - my Fitbit shows I get a lot poorer quality night’s sleep after a glass or two in the evening. It’s extra calories which really add up. And the advice is not only to keep below the recommended units per week but also to give your liver two or three alcohol-free days every week.

Also, I really do love a drink and I love the fun buzz of it. I don’t want to desensitise myself; I don’t want it to stop being a treat and I don’t want to slide into dependency which would result in having to stop drinking altogether somewhere down the line. It’s like cake, I guess, I really like it but I know it isn’t good for me to have every day.

It’s very boring but I’ve got lots of interesting herbal teas and I enjoy them most nights and keep the alcohol as a less frequent tipple. I bought a full size bottle of Hendricks for the general election and it’s still on the go (and I needed quite a bit that night just to get me through the results!) I do drink wine more often though.

MrsT1405 · 08/03/2020 20:36

In the uk bottles are 75mls not 1litre. So a bottle every 10 days is about 75 ml a day.....not a lot in my humble opinion . As long as it doesn't increase its fine. It's just a stage your going through.

LaserShark · 08/03/2020 20:36

Oh and meant to add, I use tiny wine glasses! So I only pour 50ml of wine at a time and usually stop at two glasses.

WhatDoIDooDIoDtahW · 08/03/2020 20:38

Hm, maybe one day they’ll sell all spirits with three pourer things that only release a measure as I know for sure that I’d feel weird about tipping that bottle up more than twice for one drink. I was not glued up on what a single or double measure was and that’s where my issue is.

I’m glad I started the thread. I feel abit icky about how much I’ve drank now and am actually looking forward to cutting down and having a sensible amount, less often. - will also be kinder to my purse!

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aWeaponCalledtheWord · 08/03/2020 20:44

in my experience, people without (actual or incipient) drink problems don’t worry about their drinking.

source: alcoholic, sober 6 years next month, weather permitting.

it creeps, that’s the issue. and then i found myself resentful if anyone questioned me - why shouldn’t i be allowed to relax? everyone does it!

i’m not suggesting your journey would be anything like mine, OP. just, if you want to keep enjoying a drink for the rest of your days, get hold of it now. i didn’t quit because i didn’t like drinking any more. i quit because i destroyed my life, everything in it, and nearly died.

be well, moderate, and if moderating causes you issues, regroup and think again. take it from someone who knows, and who wouldn’t wish my experience on my worst enemy.

LunaTheCat · 08/03/2020 20:47

I like gin - but more of a wine drinker. Lately I have been having lots ice ( a 3rd glass) with tonic only and a squeeze of lemon - it is delicious and refreshing.

Canadianpancake · 08/03/2020 20:47

Try buying a smaller glass. Two doubles in an evening isn't loads, but a smaller glass could help you cut down. Unless you're like me and just finish it quicker so make another one. The miniature bottles are a good idea too.

When I had my DS I got into the habit of drinking a couple of glasses of wine a night, but it did end up escalating to a bottle, and then more, so it is definitely worth being aware of what you're drinking so it doesn't creep up. It's a perfectly normal way to relax in an evening though.

Nat6999 · 08/03/2020 20:48

If you told yourself you couldn't have a drink again, would it bother you? If the answer is yes then you could have a problem. I'm 3years clean now & I still have times when I would love a drink but I don't because I know if I did I wouldn't just stop at one, I would keep going until I passed out.

Divebar · 08/03/2020 20:53

I think 2pm is too early to be drinking - especially when you’re caring for a very small baby. If I was visiting at that time and saw you drinking or smelled alcohol I would think you had a problem. It’s also worrying that you don’t know your measurements- it would be really easy to be over the limit and get behind the wheel without realising.

GabsAlot · 08/03/2020 20:57

Its not doubles though is it its triples every glass!

Graphista · 08/03/2020 21:11

I’ve a lot of experience of alcoholism as a relative to many.

That’s a lot of alcohol you’ve been drinking, your describing it as “only one or 2” is you minimising because clearly you’re making each drink pretty strong!

Like those “jokey” memes on fb where someone is “only having one” but in a glass big enough to hold a full bottle of wine!

What strikes me too is that nobody as yet (unless I somehow missed) has considered/asked you if post natal mental health issues may be a possibility.

Alcohol and other substance dependencies are often a form of self medication, albeit often subconsciously.

It’s certainly worth a trip to gp/nurse/chat with midwife for a discussion.

Those asking how you’d feel if you were told you COULDN’T have a drink are rightly trying to get you to honestly assess whether it’s a want or a need, but then really you want to head off any issues BEFORE it becomes a need.

“But for most of us we run ourselves ragged all day and then self medicate in the evenings” err nope! Not normal at all and not a remotely normal attitude or level of regular consumption. I wouldn’t heed this posters advice at all.

“so I’m wondering if I’m subconsciously substituting the urge to smoke with drinking.” Cross addiction a possibility.

“I’m not actually sure what a single measure is, I just pour until it looks like enough” a common issue with drinking at home. Also perceptions based on WHAT you drink.

My dads an alcoholic and he often quotes a celebrity he much admired who was also an alcoholic who said in their autobiography that their denial was tied up in the fact they were drinking very expensive whisky and champagne and weren’t down and out drinking meths from a paper bag. They used that to deny (in their own mind) that they were alcoholic.

A single measure in a pub is 25ml - that’s a surprisingly TINY amount when you measure it out, a double is 50ml.

What’s the abv of your preferred brand? How many mls is a full bottle? That info will help us and you work out how many units you’re drinking.

With a 37.5% abv that’s just short of 1 unit per 25ml. The current guidelines are 14 units per week so that’s a MAX of 14 singles per week plus the guidance is to have at least one alcohol free day a week.

Sounds like at a conservative guess you’re having between 14-20 doubles a week which is excessive for health.

You might find it enlightening (and hopefully shocking) to pour a drink as you normally would and then measure it in a jug to see how much you’ve really been having.

Incredibly common to make very strong drinks at home. Getting a jigger or even using measuring spoons can mitigate this.

One friend of mine I suggested the aforementioned experiment to was shocked to find she was regularly pouring herself 150mls of vodka into her “one or 2” vodkas and cokes she was having of an evening. It creeps up on you - the same happens with food.

I am no saint but I’m kinda “lucky” in that my things are salty snacks and sugar which are also unhealthy but not to the same degree as alcohol or indeed other substances. But I’ve certainly learned in trying to lose weight about portion creep and how bad we are at assessing “by sight” how much of a thing we’re making ourselves.

Also alcoholics very rarely get drunk because the body fairly quickly builds a tolerance. I’ve not seen my father drunk since I was in infant school WELL before the alcoholism took hold, I’ve had discussions with friends and family about his appearance at certain events they would have sworn he was stone cold sober, he was speaking perfectly coherently, could walk and even dance fine, give pre-prepared speeches and even conduct ceremonies - all on at least one full bottle of whisky (that I knew about. Very likely a few beers and several vodkas too)

You really do want for your and your families sake to get a grip on alcohol before it gets a grip on you. It’s an insidious, evil, family wrecker of an addiction and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy ever.

Written before below update:

Ok so done with water not gin(ha ha) I’m pouring roughly 70ml a glass. So 140ml an evening

Whoa! That must be a shock op. That’s 5-6 units a night!

“Are you using those big G&T goblet glasses? I'm sure the reason we all drink so much now is that glasses are huge. Have you seen the glasses they used to use in the 60s? Teeeeeny little things.”

Totally agree! And they take up so much bloody space in cupboards too!

I’ve had similar problems because plates are so huge now too! Said this too many times on here - My mums 70’s dinner service her dinner plates are a TINY bit bigger than my side plates, my dinner plates look like bloody serving platters in comparison to her dinner plates, I can’t even close the sodding cupboards properly!

She also has all her 70’s glassware still, the right glasses for the right drinks even though neither she nor my dad drink now, they are tiny! You would definitely not accidentally serve yourself a quintuple shot in one! Certainly not if you needed to add tonic too.

From a quick google they were still goblet style then (I’ve no idea what drinks are meant to be served how any more as it’s too long since I worked a bar!) but MUCH smaller. The ones now are massive!

“maybe one day they’ll sell all spirits with three pourer things that only release a measure” you mean an optic? You can buy them yourself easy to put on bottle. Good idea to do that actually as then each time you tip the bottle you know you’re getting one measure.

@aWeaponCalledTheWord totally agree with your post. It’s so available, so normalised and so insidious.

With my background I’m hyper conscious of being prone to addiction (family stuffed full, not just substances but gambling, exercise all sorts - you can become addicted to pretty much anything!) and as I also have ocd - which the experts believe is linked too - I’m VERY cautious around drinking habits. But I’m perfectly used to being around others who drink regularly but healthily and normally too so it doesn’t bother me from that aspect but I do notice if it’s starting to take a hold.

Good on you op for recognising a potential issue and hopefully now addressing it. Good luck to you.

teraculum29 · 08/03/2020 21:13

if possible try smaller glasses or put more tonic in them. or just completely sober and maybe have a glass or max 2 on special occasions like birthdays, Christmas etc??

springydaff · 08/03/2020 22:01

I've recently got into trouble with booze and fags! I had a fag at my mums funeral and whoosh I was addicted.

I got into booze after I stopped the fags with patches. I know the signs of creeping addiction - amazing how quickly it takes hold. So I've stopped the booze. It really isn't worth it. I absolutely do not want to get into the hell of addiction - addiction may be lovely for a while but oh my it turns so bad.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 08/03/2020 23:01

I think 2pm is too early to be drinking - especially when you’re caring for a very small baby. If I was visiting at that time and saw you drinking or smelled alcohol I would think you had a problem

I agree, id be very worried if a relative or friend was drinking during the day unless a special occasion.

I’d tip anything left in the house away and not let anymore enter if I was your DP.

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