Penalty Notice Charge - who should pay?

[Chipsandwitch]

A penalty fine was received person A owns the vehicle person B was driving.

Person B was being guided through the city by C and D as B did not know the city, carrying goods for them to drop off.

The final demand letter is the only letter that has been received by A with a charge of 275.

The penalty would have been 65 if paid in the first 14 days.

Due to house move A did not update the address on the V5 hence the increase in fees.

Should A be held responsible for the majority of the fine?

What is the fairest way to split the fine?

I'd try to make an appeal to reduce the fine back to the original £65 explaining the failure to change the address. You may be lucky. The driver could then pay the £65.

You are all joking, yes?

When you say all are you referring to the majority of people who categorically haven’t said B should pay the whole fine?

Agree that B should be responsible for the original fine. A thinks that C and D should be responsible for the remainder along with B. A should not have to contribute at all.

I'd expect all to contribute something. B was only driving as a favour to C and D. They were navigating. A should have updated their details.

Does A know that the maximum fine for not ensuring the V5 has the correct address is £1000?

B should pay the fine

A pays the rest.

Are you B?

Was the temporary bus/cycle lane the entire carriageway, so effectively the car shouldn’t have entered that road at all? If not and B just went into the wrong lane, it’s really got nothing to do with C and D’s navigation, although unfortunate that they didn’t spot it as well. Frankly B should have been paying a bit more attention to signage as the driver. I appreciate it’s easier to be distracted in those circumstances but that wouldn’t stand up in court and for good reason.

Also, it sounds like A could use this as a reminder in future that a mail redirection service exists.

If A thinks that, then perhaps just leave A to it and don't pay anything. They haven't declared a driver so as the registered owner the fine is all theirs. They can argue about it with the council and see what they say.

(They might even get the fine reduced back to the original amount, at which point B could step in)

A is obviously an arse. Hope it's not you, op!

Depends on How long between house move & change of address? Otherwise C&D. If B had been doing me the favour I’d have paid entire fine no question.

B should pay original fine, A pays the rest.

You don’t have to know a city or area not to drive in a bus lane.

B was doing a favour for the others so it would be nice for them to chip in.

Not B’s fault that A failed to notify address change (which is a legal requirement).

Everyone should chip in.

A lent the car for B to drive to do C&D a favour!

-A lent the car. You should never be responsible for fines incurred by someone who borrowed your car. Yes A hadn’t changed their address but that’s irrelevant because it wouldn’t be an issue if the driver hadn’t broken the law.

-B created the situation by driving illegally so should pay the full fine. Only the driver is responsible for the decision to drive into a bus lane. The other occupants may not even be drivers and thus unaware of what road signs etc mean.

-C and D weren’t the driver so bear no responsibility for which lane the driver chose to use. Occupants of a car aren’t responsible for the driver’s bad driving.

The owner needs to ensure that it gets paid asap. If not, the next stage will see bailiffs involved and that could put another £310 on the bill. Bailiffs make massive amounts of money because people move and don't update their V5.

The incident took place over 2 years ago and we have only just found out.

The house move was 6 and a half years ago.

B should pay the original fine.

A should pay the rest.

C/D are in no way responsible for the actions of the driver.

When you say ‘over two years ago’... do you mean A didn’t update the V5 for getting on 6.5 years?

A is a plonker if so.

How has this come up just now?

*4.5 years

The £275? demand suggests that a bailliff has traced A. The fine of £130 increases to £195 in not paid after 28 days. If this isn't paid the Council register the debt with TEC which I think adds £8. If the demand is from a bailiff then a £75 fee has been added for the letter. The next step is a bailiff visit which adds £235 to the bill, hence the advice to pay asap! There is also the possible fine of up to £1000 from the DVLA for not updating the V5 but this is exceedingly rare.

That's one hell of a drip feed op

I initially would have said B pays it, but then saw the increase is purely down to A not updating their address, so A has to be accountable for that.
I would probably agree with the others, B pays the initial fine but A pays the additional charges for not updating the DVLA.
Yes B was wrong, hence why they should pay the original fine, but due to A not updating this then increased but B would have had no knowledge/control of that.
C & D pay nothing.

A is responsible for the increase over and above the original fine for being an idiot. The didn't update the address for over 6 years?? That isn't a small oversight! What about car tax etc?

I posted earlier saying B should pay, but now I’ve found out that A hasn’t just moved recently - they’ve been breaking the law for over six years! A is an irresponsible twat and needs to pay the increase while B pays the original charge.

I agree with others, B pays the original, and A pays the extra. the extra is SOLELY because of A not informing them of change of address, and is NOT in any way the responsibility of B, C or D.