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Penalty Notice Charge - who should pay?

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Chipsandwitch · 17/02/2020 21:04

A penalty fine was received person A owns the vehicle person B was driving.

Person B was being guided through the city by C and D as B did not know the city, carrying goods for them to drop off.

The final demand letter is the only letter that has been received by A with a charge of 275.

The penalty would have been 65 if paid in the first 14 days.

Due to house move A did not update the address on the V5 hence the increase in fees.

Should A be held responsible for the majority of the fine?

What is the fairest way to split the fine?

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Fabvegetablegrower · 17/02/2020 21:52

I'd try to make an appeal to reduce the fine back to the original £65 explaining the failure to change the address. You may be lucky. The driver could then pay the £65.

ItsGoingTibiaK · 17/02/2020 21:53

You are all joking, yes?

When you say all are you referring to the majority of people who categorically haven’t said B should pay the whole fine?

Chipsandwitch · 17/02/2020 22:33

Agree that B should be responsible for the original fine. A thinks that C and D should be responsible for the remainder along with B. A should not have to contribute at all.

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MadeForThis · 17/02/2020 22:51

I'd expect all to contribute something. B was only driving as a favour to C and D. They were navigating. A should have updated their details.

ItsGoingTibiaK · 17/02/2020 23:14

Does A know that the maximum fine for not ensuring the V5 has the correct address is £1000?

Fairenuff · 17/02/2020 23:21

B should pay the fine

A pays the rest.

Are you B?

UhKevin · 18/02/2020 02:43

Was the temporary bus/cycle lane the entire carriageway, so effectively the car shouldn’t have entered that road at all? If not and B just went into the wrong lane, it’s really got nothing to do with C and D’s navigation, although unfortunate that they didn’t spot it as well. Frankly B should have been paying a bit more attention to signage as the driver. I appreciate it’s easier to be distracted in those circumstances but that wouldn’t stand up in court and for good reason.

Also, it sounds like A could use this as a reminder in future that a mail redirection service exists.

Tulipan · 18/02/2020 07:49

If A thinks that, then perhaps just leave A to it and don't pay anything. They haven't declared a driver so as the registered owner the fine is all theirs. They can argue about it with the council and see what they say.

Tulipan · 18/02/2020 07:50

(They might even get the fine reduced back to the original amount, at which point B could step in)

A is obviously an arse. Hope it's not you, op!

CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 18/02/2020 07:56

Depends on How long between house move & change of address? Otherwise C&D. If B had been doing me the favour I’d have paid entire fine no question.

Ffsnosexallowed · 18/02/2020 08:01

B should pay original fine, A pays the rest.

SW16 · 18/02/2020 08:21

You don’t have to know a city or area not to drive in a bus lane.

B was doing a favour for the others so it would be nice for them to chip in.

Not B’s fault that A failed to notify address change (which is a legal requirement).

Everyone should chip in.

SW16 · 18/02/2020 08:22

A lent the car for B to drive to do C&D a favour!

Aureum · 18/02/2020 08:31

-A lent the car. You should never be responsible for fines incurred by someone who borrowed your car. Yes A hadn’t changed their address but that’s irrelevant because it wouldn’t be an issue if the driver hadn’t broken the law.

-B created the situation by driving illegally so should pay the full fine. Only the driver is responsible for the decision to drive into a bus lane. The other occupants may not even be drivers and thus unaware of what road signs etc mean.

-C and D weren’t the driver so bear no responsibility for which lane the driver chose to use. Occupants of a car aren’t responsible for the driver’s bad driving.

Travellor · 18/02/2020 08:45

The owner needs to ensure that it gets paid asap. If not, the next stage will see bailiffs involved and that could put another £310 on the bill. Bailiffs make massive amounts of money because people move and don't update their V5.

Chipsandwitch · 18/02/2020 15:52

The incident took place over 2 years ago and we have only just found out.

The house move was 6 and a half years ago.

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JacquesHammer · 18/02/2020 15:55

B should pay the original fine.

A should pay the rest.

C/D are in no way responsible for the actions of the driver.

UhKevin · 18/02/2020 15:57

When you say ‘over two years ago’... do you mean A didn’t update the V5 for getting on 6.5 years?

A is a plonker if so.

How has this come up just now?

UhKevin · 18/02/2020 15:57

*4.5 years

Travellor · 18/02/2020 16:09

The £275? demand suggests that a bailliff has traced A. The fine of £130 increases to £195 in not paid after 28 days. If this isn't paid the Council register the debt with TEC which I think adds £8. If the demand is from a bailiff then a £75 fee has been added for the letter. The next step is a bailiff visit which adds £235 to the bill, hence the advice to pay asap! There is also the possible fine of up to £1000 from the DVLA for not updating the V5 but this is exceedingly rare.

NoFucksImAQueen · 18/02/2020 16:12

That's one hell of a drip feed op

newyearsresolution2010 · 18/02/2020 16:16

I initially would have said B pays it, but then saw the increase is purely down to A not updating their address, so A has to be accountable for that.
I would probably agree with the others, B pays the initial fine but A pays the additional charges for not updating the DVLA.
Yes B was wrong, hence why they should pay the original fine, but due to A not updating this then increased but B would have had no knowledge/control of that.
C & D pay nothing.

SoupDragon · 18/02/2020 16:19

A is responsible for the increase over and above the original fine for being an idiot. The didn't update the address for over 6 years?? That isn't a small oversight! What about car tax etc?

Aureum · 18/02/2020 17:09

I posted earlier saying B should pay, but now I’ve found out that A hasn’t just moved recently - they’ve been breaking the law for over six years! A is an irresponsible twat and needs to pay the increase while B pays the original charge.

steppemum · 18/02/2020 19:41

I agree with others, B pays the original, and A pays the extra. the extra is SOLELY because of A not informing them of change of address, and is NOT in any way the responsibility of B, C or D.

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