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Would you live in Dubai ?

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Lardlizard · 17/02/2020 13:00

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Holyfork · 19/02/2020 12:02

I think it’s just good old racism, xenophobia with a slug of anti-islam. To be honest those people are probably better off staying closer to home.

How is it racist to not want to live in a country where there are draconian laws that may affect you?

Deathraystare · 19/02/2020 12:13

I would not go on holiday or want to live there!

Canapes · 19/02/2020 12:14

all the time people are reading things like the Daily Mail (notice how the reports about Princess Haya use lots of words like ‘allegedly’ and ‘reportedly’?!)

There's nothing 'alleged' about the fact that Princess Haya was seeking a non-forced marriage order for her child in the UK high court. It's a matter of public record, and reported by all the broadsheets.

The UAE has jumped 23 positions to 26th in the 2019 UNDP Gender Equality Index making it the highest ranked Arab country in the world.

The UNDP index, as I'm sure you're aware, is a blunt instrument based on (1) life-expectancy, (2) maternal mortality, (3) education and (4) numbers of women in government.

If we substitute 'ineffective advisory forum directly or indirectly appointed by the hereditary rulers' for 'government', UAE women look fine on all of these, for obvious reasons.

What the UNDP doesn't gauge is whether you can report rape or spousal violence safely, whether you are disadvantaged by your sex in the event of divorce (you automatically relinquish custody of your children if you are a woman who remarries), whether it's likely someone cut out your clitoris when you were five, whether you need to have a male 'guardian' in adulthood who is required to sign off on your marriage, and your right to leave the country etc etc.

I work in a senior role in the public sector. I am surrounded daily by Emirati women, the vast majority of whom are incredibly well educated, intelligent, articulate, confident and ambitious. I think most of them would find the idea that they are in some way repressed quite amusing.

I'm quite sure that's true. The Emiratis you are likely to meet at work in your position are never going to be in any way critical of the status quo. The insanely cosseted position of the luckier Emirati citizens (urban, with the right tribal connections, not the bidoun, or the lawyers, teachers, judges, journalists who have made the fact that they would like to live in a democracy clear, or those unlucky enough to be related to them), and the Emiratisation drive, means that the women you work with are kept uncritical by being bankrolled by the government at every stage in their lives,and seeing what happens to those who step out of line.

Would you toddle about being vocal about your own dissatisfaction with the UAE status quo when doing so is illegal and has serious consequences,including imprisonment, refusal of the right to travel, and being deprived of your citizenship?

The UNDP index also, of course, only considers female Emirati citizens, not the migrant domestic and other labour which makes up the vast majority of the UAE population, or those women in tribal areas who didn't get their papers in order when the UAE became independent,and their families.

One question for you, @PrimeraVez -- would you go to the police to report being raped in the UAE?

sofato5miles · 19/02/2020 13:28

I wouldn't go to the police if i was raped in the UK either. (Only been raped in Spain, but didn't report it then due to general shit rape conviction stats globally).

Was once attacked in the UK too, fought him off, CCTV and the whole awful drama, the CPS still didn't prosecute after he had been held on remand until a last minute line up, where i wasn't advised to bring a solicitor.

LittleSweet · 19/02/2020 13:29

I wouldn't even go there on holiday Dubai due to their poor human rights.

5zeds · 19/02/2020 13:59

So where would you all work/live/holiday? I’m pretty sure many of the problems sited aren’t unique to UAE? Our own conviction rate for rape is so basically struggled to believe it.

5zeds · 19/02/2020 14:03

I will not visit a country that does not extend equal rights to everyone Grin so you don’t travel.

sashh · 20/02/2020 09:56

A maid is a maid

A maid is a human being who should have a right to be educated and a right to work in a profession if she has that ability.

Maids aren't Emirati anyway, are cleaners in the UK well-educated?

  1. and why is that? 2) I know of students / VI formers who clean
5zeds · 20/02/2020 11:00

There are millions of people who are trained/educated to a level they won’t attain. Nobody has a right to work in a high powered job. My point was that maids are not always uneducated. They work in this way to get enough money to do the things they want to do.

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