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How Do I deal With This, I feel Broken Over DDs Hatred of Me

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BrokenMumofTeenDD · 13/02/2020 21:48

Name changed to protect DD as I'm not that secretive usually, Pom bears, niece ham, penis beaker etc

Please be gentle I am on my absolute last knee blubbering wreck & don't know where to turn as even with DH here I feel I have no one I can speak to. I'm not even fully sure I know how to explain it all. Bar DD hates me & is imagining things I do & say & my reasons for it that are miles from the actual truth. She is manipulative with DH, so he only ever sees tears from her & not the constant quiet manipulative abuse & accusations I'm getting from her. There's a lot to explain & I stuck with drip feeding, or writing a novel.

DD is just 17, with significant health problems & likely Aspergers. Not diagnosed due to failing system & still waiting for yet another assessment to come though. GP agrees as it's linked to her other diagnosis. She is very high functioning, but struggles with Anxiety, SPD etc. I'm mentioned this incase someone knows if this has any baring in current behaviour, as she is really scaring me. It also means she needs a lot of support, which where as she's always been grateful, she seems very very angry about now. Suddenly hissing me that she will,do things for herself as she doesn’t need me & it’s none of my business, yet she usually struggles to cope. I would love nothing more for her to be independent as I do struggle to cope, but of course I put her needs first & just get on with it. This is why it’s so strange & hurtful that she’s accusing me of being controlling by helping her.

She has also recently been sexually assaulted, which trying to have her acknowledge what happened was an assault & to consider reporting it, has opened up a can of worms with her screaming at me that it's no big deal as she's had far worse happen & then implied she has been raped. She then clammed up. I think this is the crux of it, but I don't know as she then also screams at me at other times that it's made her stronger & she takes no crap anymore, so she is fine. I'm not seeing that, I seeing angry, hurt & lasting out, but it's the cold, manipulative anger towards me that makes it really hard to focus on that. I'm also very ill myself, more so at the moment with some extra scary stuff going on for me. Even that scares me, as I don't want her to have to live with herself for having treat me so badly if for any reason I don't make it, which isn’t an over reaction, though she knows nothing of that. Yet the thought of lights out, it having to deal with this anymore feels scarily alluring & I’m scared by that thought & feel such a failure for not coping better .

I've been concerned something was wrong for some time, it was hard to put my finger on & DH thought I was being ott & she's just being a teen. Mothers instinct & all that. I felt she was self harming in a weird way. She takes an array of supplements that help her medical conditions, some on medical advice, some we've worked out help her symptoms. She knows they help & has been taking them for years. She needs nagging to take them, as her diagnosis means she can be really forgetful & can forget even when put in her hand. In the last few months I've found these pills in her pockets when doing the laundry & in dishes, or even cups around her room. We tackled her & she owned up to deliberately hiding them & avoiding taking them, but doesn't know why. We've noticed as some help with mood swings, period troubles etc & she has been more ill & quite frankly really vile without them.

She also has intolerances & a now minor allergy, so needs to avoid certain foods & drinks & generally eat healthy due to quite a restrictive diet as she's vegetarian too. Because of this I've cooked from scratch for her since day one. She's using an allowance to buy absolute crap, things she knows she shouldn't eat & have no nutritional value at all then leaving healthy meals I cook for her & this is also affecting her health.

The next bit is so hard to explain, as I'm sure on the surface it looks like I'm over reacting, but it's just an ongoing negative attitude towards me. Manipulative to make it look to her dad that I'm the problem as she pushes me to react by quietly being very hurtful. Things like telling me that she is going to counselling, but so she can talk about what an abusive controlling mum she has & how much the counsellor agrees. She also throws in my face my years of my fighting for her medical needs with doctors & accusations of FII from one doctor as proof I'm controlling & it's already on her medical records. That hurts so much as she was so ill, I was literally fighting fir her life, at the expense of my own health & I was proven right in the end & the treatment I fought so hard for made a huge difference to her health & still does. She’s also constantly very restless & cant just relax at home anymore, has o occupy her mind. Which I feel mans she isn’t coping at all.

She has a friend living independently who was rehoused because of an abusive family situation & sometimes it feels like that's what DD wants & is manipulating a situation. I'm not sure anymore who she is. I've caught her bitching & tbh bullying certain boys as a bit of fun with her newer friends. DD was never that sort of girl, quite the opposite & she's been the victim of social bullying herself, so knows too well what it is.

She studies psychology & uses it to great effect as a stick to beat me with. Never shouting, always so cold & nasty when she does it. Takes food I cook & leaves it, even if cooked specify fir her & seems to enjoy telling me what was wrong it’s it. Generally just constant, quiet put downs that are taking their toll as I’m physically so run down. I'm a failure as a mother & she enjoys telling me exactly how. The scary thing being that if she was a DP, she'd be emotionally abusive, because that's exactly how it feels, but she tells me Im the abuser. It’s been going on for so long I realise I feel really broken

She won't visit my 84 year old dad with me, has made excuses for the last year not to go. Difficult family situation as my DB is the golden boy Narc & since he has gone NC with me & DF, things have been much much better & DF is ill & lonely & idolises DD, so I’m embarrassed to go without her, but can’t explain to DF & I’m not well enough to travel alone, but DH can’t due to work commitment & we don’t trust leaving her at home alone right now.

New boy involved who were really don't approve of, but mainly because he's already treat her badly & she’s justified it to herself when we saw how hurt she was by what he did. She's insisting that I give her my blessing, which I've said than neither I nor DH can do as we'd be lying. She's had other BFs we didn't approve of we were more than right unfortunately but never insisted that I give her my blessing as she is now. In her head, this is all because I'm controlling & choosing her boyfriends & that's why she hates me. We don't really think she's in a head place to complicate things with another unsuitable boy, but we accept that's her choice. She now tells me than an ex that we did make welcome hit her when she refused sex with him. Insists she told me before, but didn’t & has now she said blames me for making him welcome.

Tonight she’s ran away, she’s never ignored us before like she did & from things said tonight it feels as if she thinks her college counsellor has told her to stand up to us more. She has a lot of freedom, more than most as she’s always been so sensible, so this isn’t reality. I did contact her friends DM & she sent her home, but she didn’t come home & went to another friends house. We feel she’s too vulnerable right now to be sharing a bed with a male friend who’s obviously doted in her for years. DH has now driven to get her & is bringing her home so long as I’m not around. I suspect hormones at play too as she can be very irrational, paranoid & angry ahead of her period, especially if she’s been skipping supplements again.

Sorry I’m rambling, I’m ashamed I can’t cope & feel so scared that she’s painting me as this evil witch to everyone else, something she’s done with her friends fir years. But now seems to believe it herself. That hurts & im not coping & I feel broken that some dirty bastard did this too her & I’m being punished fir it, but I don’t know how to get through to her. I don’t even know if I’m making sense.

Any advise or insight gratefully received

OP posts:
BrokenMumTeenDD · 13/02/2020 23:23

I just want to go to her room & hug her & tell her we're here for her & we'll get through this together, but she's completely locking me out & she cant even look at me without sneering disgust. She only agreed to came home if I stayed away from her. I don't know how to help her. I don't know whether I should be letting her college know some of it. Just feel so lost myself & that I've lost her completely as she wants me out of her life & wants me out if the house so it's just her & DH. She's said that

Gilead · 13/02/2020 23:36

She is trying to control her own life without the ability or skills to do so and whilst she is feeling that everything is out of control she can lose her temper with the person it’s safest to do so, the person who no matter what will love her. She probably feels that pushing you away will force you into ‘ letting her down’. She sounds scared. You need to learn not to react to all these accusations. She’s seeing a counsellor about her abusive mum? Then the reply is okay love. Don’t justify yourself or your behaviour, don’t engage. Just keep telling her you love her and you’ll always be there for her. It gets better. 💐

MagicSeeker · 13/02/2020 23:41

Flowers This sounds really rough for you and I’m sorry you’re going through it. It sounds like you’ve spent so much of her life fighting for her to have the treatments, help and lifestyle she needs to live as healthily and well as possible. Your DD is now coming to an age where she needs (and it sounds like she wants) to take the reigns for herself on these things now. It must be very hard after all this time for you to hand them over.

Could she be sensing some resistance on your part to letting her start making her own choices and deciding for herself what’s best for her?

She might be feeling resentment, like you don’t trust her to make good decisions and she’ll be comparing the amount of autonomy she feels she has with how much her friends may appear to have, and possibly feels hard done by in this respect.

For your part, I imagine it’s very difficult to begin to step back and support from a little more of a distance and know that sometimes she’ll get it right and sometimes you’ll have to scoop her up, dust her down and help her launch off again. That’s scary! But it sounds like she’s asking you to let her be more independent. Where could you make some compromises to show you ‘get it’?

Fourtights · 13/02/2020 23:46

I think this sounds like it's partly an issue with your husband. Why is he taking her word over things when he knows the truth? Has he fallen into the habit of appeasing her for an easier life?

Mulledwineinajug · 13/02/2020 23:46

This sounds really, really complicated.

Your dd is vulnerable and doesn’t yet have the skills to be independent.
You do sound quite involved. And of course you have had to be. But in the nicest possible way because you sound really caring... you might need to learn not to sweat the small stuff. Eating crap and leaving home cooked food is going to have to be her choice at 17. Who she shares a bed with, unless you have reason to suspect abuse by that person- has to be her choice. Unwise boyfriend? You have to support her to make her own decision about him.
Honestly, I know how hard it is. I have a child with asd. But at 17 you can’t control this stuff.

Now, your dd is saying she has been raped? You need to take her very seriously. Not believing her could be disastrous. Better to believe her if it isn’t true than not believe her if it is.

Would your dd give permission for you to talk to her counsellor and see how you can best support her?
It might be that your dd needs to find her own way a bit.

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 13/02/2020 23:48

I’ve been through similar and it all but broke me, so I sympathise so much.

I don’t know any answers other than I always let DD know she was loved and we were here to support regardless.

Years rolled by, she matured, we endured and eventually a corner was turned. I really don’t think she recalls most of it.

Best I can say is stay true to yourself, do your best and remember there will be light at the end of the tunnel Flowers

GreenTulips · 13/02/2020 23:54

I knee she was ASD from the first paragraph.

You need to disengage and not give her ammunition to beat you with.
Don’t argue with her and be elusive.

Smile and say ok even if she is attacking you - you don’t need to justify your actions.

If you don’t react she can’t keep coming at you.

katewhinesalot · 14/02/2020 09:05

Yes you need to step back emotionally however hard that is.
This is the message she needs to get from you.

"You are almost an adult, old enough to make your own decisions. I've lived long enough to see that maybe some of those decisions aren't the best for you, but I realise that these are your decisions to make and I have to support you and be there for you whatever happens. I've bought you up the best way I can. I've tried to give you the tools for making your own decisions, now I have to step back and and trust you. I've probably made mistakes in being a parent. Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes but I want you to know everything I have done has been done with love and the best of intentions. I'll be here for you always. I love you. I may not always agree with you but there is nothing that you can do that will stop me loving you. Please talk to me if you are worried or need help. If you can't talk to me then talk to someone older that you trust. A teacher, x relative, y, z. Even go to the doctor and tell them everything you feel. It doesn't matter if it's me that you feel is the cause of your problems, just tell some one how you are feeling. I don't want you to suffer alone. Just remember I love you and always will"

Then step back emotionally. If she wants to do something you don't approve of, then voice your opinion but temper it with the fact that you recognise its her decision. She needs to do what she feels is right but can she please consider x, y and z.

That's all you can do really at this age. Only intervene if it affects others.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 15/02/2020 15:00

Thanks everyone. Food for thought with the replies. I will try & update properly, but I think I've had a bit of a breakdown & sobbed like I never have in my life before, it all feels just so overwhelming p. Head all over the place & I just wanted it to all stop & the pain to go away & death sounded pretty good at that point. I'm really scared that I even thought that way & I'm ashamed of myself that I'm coping so badly, I'm usually tough & very level headed, but my health problems have escalated a lot in recent months & Im just physically done in, which is t helping in current circumstances & though we are well used to teen strops & parenting through a minefield of dodgy behaviour with her lead astray over drugs etc in the past, but she's admitted she relieved when I've realised & stepped in. This is a whole new level & I’m seriously concerned for her mental health, but she’s accusing me of abuse, even though DH is saying exactly the same things to her.

DD did come hime, but it's gone from bad to worse, I'm literally hiding from her in my own house, if I don't she's running away again & anything I say to her is twisted in her mind as abuse. The scariest thing is, I actually think she believes that & it really is so far from the truth I feel I'm going crazy. I tried returning a photo book to her room last night that DH had complained to her that she hadn't let us see, yet expects us to pay for it. I knocked on her door, she opened it, I said hers your photo book, really excellent work, you should be proud. She snatched it, glared at me with disgust & slammed the door in my face. That's the only time I've seen her

DH has been dealing with her & for the first time has seen this other side to her. He has my back, supports that we don't support her with this lad for good reasons or her current behaviour, but know she has to make her own mistakes. To me DD says she expects us to welcome him into our home to stay etc if she wants to because she's old enough. But we've never done that before anyway & she's only known him a couple of months, which was him chasing after her, crapping on her with her "friend", then convincing her he was sorry & it was her friends fault & then DD has pretty much done the pick me dance ever since. Every photo we see of him he has a joint in his hand. DD has been very open about all of this & we used to be close & she'd come to me for advice, tell me the gossip of her & her friends etc in chats. DH & I were perplexed as he's not even a good looking lad, or alternative in his dress act as DD is, we are naturally worried for her, but as you say at 17, even as a vulnerable 17 yo we have to step back. Very hard though when on the flip side of the coin she is prone to getting into sticky situations & ringing us in hysterics needing us to bail her out. A good example of this is a few months ago. DD went to her friends house a few towns away. She travelled with them & intended to stay over, but felt unwell & decided to come home. She didn’t let us know she was heading home, until I got a hysterical phone call from her. She was stuck in the middle of nowhere on a dark road, with a man trying to make her get into his car. It was petrifying, I don’t know how I kept it together to keep her calm for the half hour it took DH to drive & find her. There had been a bus replacement for her train home & she’d got on the wrong bus, had a panic attack which she hides well, but went mute & couldn’t ask for help. I told her to say the car number plate very loud into her phone which she did. Thankfully the man drove off & I had to join & to get her to add me on Snapchat so I could use the maps thing to trace her & guide DH to find her. This isn’t a one off. She’s incredibly brave & pushes through her anxiety & SPD, panic etc, can cope if everything is as she knows it to be, but falls apart & cant cope if there’s any unexpected changes. We’ve tried to coax her to have a back up plan in situations like this, but it usually lasts for one thing & then she forgets.

Excuse my not tagging names, memory rubbish right now.

We do encourage her to be more independent, but it’s not so cut & dry. We were absolutely thrilled recently when we overslept to get her to a medical appointment (up all night with DH trapped on his way home in the early hours in a storm & no trains & no WiFi signal trying get cab information to him) she actually got herself up (unheard of) & dealt with it all herself, we were so proud of her, because we know how anxious it makes her. The sad thing is, there’s an anger in her at the moment that is pushing her to be more independent & braver, it’s more than just teen angst & it’s unfortunately not healthy for her. Her medical diagnosis means she will run on adrenaline if she pushes herself too much & she will crash badly & become ill, the longer she pushes herself, the harder the crash will hit her. Because of this & more medical stuff, she requires a lot of extra support at home. By doing this, she copes far better in college & can have a level social life. She’s very bright, but frustrated by her health affecting her ability to perform in exams etc & this badly affects her mental health, suicidally so in the past, so us supporting her so much helps a lot here. But this is now being twisted to my being controlling & she suddenly genuinely seems to believe that. I’ve had concerns over the weird form of self harm with eating foods she’s intolerant too & not taking supplements that help keep her out of a wheelchair (she spent 2 years in one) for some time, but she could usually convince us it was accidental until I started finding the ones she was hiding. She has raging nasty urticaria flare ups on her arms & legs & is expecting me to magic up a potion (herbalist) to heal it, but won’t accept that there is no point whilst she’s eating the benzoate additives that she already knows will cause it.

@GreenTulips

“I knee she was ASD from the first paragraph”

Can I ask why, is this sort of Jekyll & hide behaviour if crossed something that comes with ASD, it’s not something we’ve ever seen in her before & the level of venom in her towards me & manipulative behave has shocked me to my core & makes me question myself. We know ASD kids & adults, but none like her, though now knowing more about HFA in girls, we know it does fit her, but we are still learning. I guess I’m trying to work out if this is about the potential rape, ASD, or both. I realise I need support myself & don’t know which way to turn fir advice I suppose.

I’m shell shocked with more relations today as DD has now told DH that’s she’s back under the wellbeing team after having a panic attack in college where this lad was a great support & got her help. From what she’s told the college wellbeing service, they are concerned she’s of risk of harm & wanted to escalate it to social services, but she’s told them she doesn’t want to yet as it might hurt her dad. I can’t believe she is doing this & I’m so scared fir her & feel lost on how to tackle it as I feel I can’t do right fir doing wrong & I don’t know where my sensible, beautiful, kind, thoughtful stroppy assed normal teen who needs support & appreciate that support at home has gone. It’s like I don’t recognise my own DD anymore & feel that on top of everything else, I’m grieving her. I know I need to keep my shit together & be cool & calm, I mostly do well, but do raise my voice back at her at times, but I’m ashamed after her last snide, quiet verbal attack on me I crumbled & cried openly, I’ve never done that before & I clearly disgusted her & there was a look in her face that really scared me as she suddenly reminded me of my Narc DM in that she was clearly enjoying & gloated over seeing me cry. That’s not who she is & I feel completely lost

I should have contacted her college wellbeing service sooner, we’ve been in touch before, but she was angry I was interfering, even though she’d asked me fir help over a few issues in college over her disability, she’s very secretive & closed about college, but then is angry if I’m not helping her with things I don’t even know about, but then she gaslights me by telling me she has told me. I need to contact them now, but feel so broken by DD accusing me of abuse that I doubt myself as they don’t often see how unwell she is in college, because we support her so much at home, but we do see it every day at home & let her rest it off the best we can. I don’t even know what to say anymore & DD has refused the named contact information I needed a few months ago, insisting she was dealing with it herself. I’ve also got this nasty niggling feeling, that her bonding sessions with her friend who was abused, was DD emphasising by trading evil DM stories & somehow, she’s belibing it,

I don’t really know, I’m just lost. Bar realising that some of this relates to bad PMS, It’s not the first time she’s gone through my saying one thing, & her hearing it’s evil twin, but nit I this extreme extent

She screams at me “I can do what I like, you cant stop me” over her running out to a mid week party & sleepover & she clearly isn’t well enough to be pushing herself, let alone midweek which we don’t allow on a college night, which surely is just sensible parenting, especially when she exhausts & gets ill so easily. She’d normally be understanding of that & after an initial spat, she’d agree she needed the rest. After a lot more nastiness from her, I did reply calmly with “you still live under our roof, we still pay for your WiFi & give you a healthy allowance & there are still rules for your wellbeing whether you like them or not & if you want to keep the benefits, you play by those rules - she’s twisted that into me saying I was kicking her out, cutting her money

She needs counselling, think I realise we all do atm, but nobody will touch her. Local services say she needs specialist medical based counselling, she rightly won’t go to our local hospital due to not trusting them to accept some PTSD due to experiences in that hospital & with their counselling. CAHMS worse than useless I’ve given her all the rape crisis info, offered to support her with that if she wants me too —though totally understand that would be mortifying fir a NT teen - which she screams at me she will do herself, but isn’t, I’m not pushing her, that’s would be wrong. I’m concerned about the college counselling as things she’s said to me & DH make it sound odd & not at all helpful & she implies it’s them telling her to stand up to us, us being me, telling her she has to be true to herself & only do what makes her happy & if she thinks this boy makes her happy, then that’s good. Surely happiness must come from within, that’s what we’ve brought her up to believe. She lies a lot now, something she never did at all until quite recently when she told me that one of her friends had told her that it’s more normal for teens to lie & then she’s embraced it like you wouldn’t believe, but she’s a rubbish liar. I see through it every time. DH not so much so, but he does trust my instincts, but it’s been so full on lately & she’s really cranked up the manipulation & it has caused arguments between DH & I. He has now seen it for himself though, he did believe me before, but it’s so alien to us both, I don’t blame him for questioning it. I would have too.

It’s such a mess. I guess contacting college would be the right thing to do now as surely silence makes us look worse, I’ve no idea what the hell to say though, how the hell to express it all

Excuse the ramble, I guess I need to get it out to try & make sense of it all & I really appreciate the advice & support

GreenTulips · 15/02/2020 19:15

anything I say to her is twisted in her mind as abuse. The scariest thing is, I actually think she believes that & it really is so far from the truth I feel I'm going crazy

This - this is why I knew she has autism.

It’s common for them to target one person, usually mothers.

Health professions have seen it hundreds of times, you have nothing to fear.

I would get into the habit of texting her.

Eg - when I said you must follow our rules in regard to mid week parties, it was for your benefit. We didn’t suggest moving out - you did.

Keep it factual and simple.

Then don’t engage.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 21/02/2020 21:27

Thank you GreenTulips that is more help than you'll ever know.

I'm sorry for the slow reply, it's been a rollercoaster of a few weeks to put it mildly & I'm just all over the place & wasn't sure I could string a coherent sentence together, I guess I needed to try & understand it all myself before I could verbalise it, though I'm still not fully understanding it.

I did read your post a few days ago & spoke to NAS on the back of it, who though initially disagreeing, then changed her mind & said that it would come under Targeted Challenging Behaviour, looking into that more I realise that it is a pattern of behaviour I have seen throughout DDs growing up, with everything from clothes, to food & more. This one is just a lot bigger, though I'm not sure if there isn't more to it.

DDs behaviour over the last few days has blown hot & cold, I realised fairly quickly that she was nice & chatty to me when she wanted something. She's mostly been normal with her DF/DH
She made a point of ruining my birthday & was clearly gloating when I pointed out to her what she had done. She rolled in mid afternoon with a gift wrapped gift from our closest shop & handing it to me with a smirk in the bag from the shop, making it clear it was an afterthought. She rolled in & rolled back out again, but not before I tried to talk to her, tell her we love her & want to help etc but can she please try & help me understand what is going on, only to be told how much I disgust her & that she neither needs nor wants my love & support, she loves me because I'm her mother & she has to, but she doesn't like me & I'm abusive, but I won't own up to it. Half an hour later she was trying to wheedle cooking wine out of me to take to another friends birthday wine party. The only happy birthday I got from her was a text at 10 the night before my birthday telling me 'I'm busy with my friends, so texting you happy birthday now"

NAS also said they'd have concerns about the counselling if it's not ASD targeted as it can be taken too literally & that could make some sense as to the timing of what we were dealing with now too.

Talking gently to DD more today to ask her to help me understand what I've done from her POV, she eventually gave 3 examples of my "abuse & homophobia to her" all of which her version of events are scarily far from the truth. I know her to have an excellent memory of details of events, so I asked her for details of when these things happened, one of which was a conversation at her GFs house, which happened when I was filling his dishwasher. GF doesn't have a dishwasher, but I'm expected to believe I had a homophobic rant at her & called her a slut because that's what bisexual people are. Turns out she has told DH this version of events too & he laughed at her as it was so ridiculous coming from a 13 yo with gay godparents & who has grown up amongst more LGBT friends than most. We didn't take it seriously at the time as it was just so ridiculous to accuse me of homophobia. But she really seems to believe it & I don't know how to handle that.

She also believes I told her that her that it would be her fault if she had been raped when she got stuck in a strange town miles from home & crashed at a strange boys. No way in hell would I say that & I remember the night & aftermath well as she scared the life out of me & I was awake all night worrying. DH laughed at this too when she told him months back & said I'd had a go at him for far less victim blaming than that, so she must have misunderstood what had been said.

Same sort of thing with the other incident too when she was 14, one where I ended up with a broken bone in my hand & I did in far from my finest moment try & physically block her leaving the house to meet friends we'd banned her from seeing due to their drug taking & DD being easily lead. Ive apologised a million times over, not least because I saw the horror on her face when she realised she'd crushed my hand. Though I saw the determination & anger in her face when she smacked my hand against the wall, but I wanted to protect her from that, so played it down & I suppose have let her mis remember that event. I did take hold her very long hair to stop her ignoring us & leaving the house & it got physical. I never pulled her hair or hit her, but her fighting back meant her hair got pulled & that's what she remembers, along with my pouring incense burner ash in her hair, a completely different version to my memory & what DH remembers too. Even the time line of events can be proven wrong, which friends she was meeting, we weren't stopping her from going out to take MDMA, which was the truth, but she was meeting other friends at a different time & she really seems to believe this & is so angry that I won't admit to it & apologise. I tried to apologise that things happened in a way to make her believe these things, but she got more angry & started psychoanalysing me & getting nasty.

Half hour later, she's chatting like nothing happened in the kitchen, but still with an edge in that she's showing off food that she's bought & knows she shouldn't be having due to urticaria etc. I didn't bite & it was okay, but I'm at a loss to fully understand what she's playing at.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 21/02/2020 21:29

& thank you. I went back through my messages to DD & everything single one is exactly as you advise. That made me feel a lot better

BrokenMumTeenDD · 21/02/2020 21:43

I think there's maybe one of 2 things going on with her, either way it's a big mess.

She either genuinely believes her version of events & maybe I've said things that she's misunderstood, for example we have both said that she must stick with her friends & not be staying at strange boys houses with people she doesn't know as she puts herself at risk of rape if she wanders off etc. Maybe due to autism that's what she misunderstood.

Or this is some sort of mind game she is playing as she's hurt & angry & lashing out at the person she feels safest with, or both

Excuse my rambling, writing it down is helping me sort my head out a bit.

GreenTulips · 22/02/2020 12:35

You need to stop thinking she has any form of control or game plan.

She doesn’t she has a condition that manifests in her mind.

Everything she hears she twists into something nasty and spiteful.

It’s not your doing.

Keep communication clear and precise - text her after so things are clear

‘Im worried x will happen if you do y’

Etc

BrokenMumTeenDD · 22/02/2020 13:34

Thank you, that's very reassuring as that is exactly what we are doing.

She's like a different person today, talking normally, giving me a run down of her homework & were she is with it & her plans for the weekend & asking me if it's all okay. A big difference to where we were even a few days ago when non of it was my business. There's definitely a big hormonal link so it's been suggested she could also have PMDD when I've asked for contraceptive advice on a group linked to her medical conditions. Looking into that she definitely fits the symptoms etc. Still feel like I'm walking on eggshells as this is the worst she has been & I hate that she believes that I have been abusive

I think I realise that the autism diagnosis is now a priority, which she agrees herself.NAS weren't a great deal of help as far as diagnosis does as they said to look at tge linked therapists in our area, followed up by telling me that they don't vet them, so don't know which, if any are any good & looking previously, they are very expensive. I've now asked elsewhere in the hope I can get better advice & recommendations for private assessment as unfortunately we know it's going to be a battle for NHS services even with our GPS backing as we've had that twice already. Fingers crossed. I've spoken to our GP too & making an appointment for myself too as I realise I'm not coping & it's affecting my own health badly too.

GreenTulips · 22/02/2020 14:26

I agree with the hormones - it’s definitely worse before a period.

Stay positive even when she’s not.

She will eventually realise these things aren’t abuse. But keep up the record via text.

I recreated found an apology letter by DD when she was about 8

It started ‘I’m sorry you’re such a crap mother’ ..... she laughed at this!!

springydaff · 22/02/2020 15:48

Green Tulips can you suggest some reading around this subject?

duvet · 04/01/2022 12:29

I know this is an old thread but I'm looking for advice and this thread looks long similiar lines to my situation. GreenTulips you seem particularly insightful this especially :
*This - this is why I knew she has autism.

It’s common for them to target one person, usually mothers.

Health professions have seen it hundreds of times, you have nothing to fear.ally ;*
DD2 has recently been diagnosed with ADHD & ASD. Over the last year or so she has had difficulty involving a number of friendship fall outs in school. Some of which were reported by school to us as they involved DD persistently texting/calling & overly seeking attention as well as easily getting argumentative. Because of this she has moved form more than once & is often making new friends but making the same mistakes even though we have tried to guide her in this & she seems to realise this is the problem, she just cant help her self.
DD has also been in trouble with the school for being inappropriate on social media messaging, e.g asking people she barely knows if they think she’s hot, sending photos. As a consequence she now only has whatsapp & texting, & again tried to show her correct phone etiquette
She had a GF for a few months, however it came to light that she also sent an inappropriate photo to her & after speaking to the mum about the issue she also said that her daughter was quite passive but wasn’t constantly getting texts and calls from our DD, sometimes aggressive. We asked them to end the relationship & we took the phone away for a time period, again reiterating phone guidelines, social stories.
The day she got the phone back we discovered that she’s been texting a 23 year old she barely knows, we’re now wondering how to handle that – should we remove her phone completely until she’s more mature, she’s just turned 16 but does act younger.
It’s a minefield and a struggle each day at the moment, we never had need for restrictions with our eldest. We’re reading as much as we can looking for guidance, so if anyone has any positive stories or suggestions please? Also reading like springydaff asked.

duvet · 04/01/2022 12:30

Doh my bold failed to work!!

TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2022 12:39

duvet, I think you should start a new thread in teenagers. You will get some very helpful advice there (and some actual fuckwits, but you can filter out the useful stuff).

fwiw my similar teen has grown up, at last. But it was a long and frustrating journey to get there and my advice to any parent would be to look after yourself as much as you possibly can. Deal with what you can deal with on a day to day basis, but try not to look too far forward (or feel guilty about anything you did in the past) and, as much as possible, wait it out Flowers

duvet · 04/01/2022 14:04

Thanks for the reply Turquoisebaubles, I might do that.

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