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Pixxie7 · 11/02/2020 06:10

General chat on how you feel about Hs2 and the rest of the governments further spending pledges on transport.
Surely housing and poverty should be prioritised.

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 11/02/2020 06:50

It's a ridiculous idea.

HS2 will be going through my town. We're all dreading it. 2 streets of houses will be demolished. The traffic is awful here anyway and when construction starts it's going to come to a standstill. I'm concerned about noise pollution as well.

I'm in the east midlands and it only takes 90 minutes on the train to get to London from here anyway. It's going to cause years of disruption and cost billions just so a tiny percentage who work in London can get there half an hour quicker.

I'd prefer to see the regular railways get updated rather than this shit show.

KenAdams · 11/02/2020 07:02

Existing services need investment at stations that already exist. We don't need an East Midlands hub, we need the EM lines to be electrified to provide a better service to Derby, Leicester and Nottingham, not an East Midlands Hub whatever that is.

And don't get me started on the destruction of ancient woodland.

dameofdilemma · 11/02/2020 11:52

I'm really struggling to understand how the government feels confidant to plough ahead with HS2 when I literally do not know one person who supports HS2 (and that includes people who worked there).

It seems to be the one issue uniting the nation - city dwellers, rural dwellers, Londoners, Midland-ers, Northern-ers...is anyone in support of it (apart from those who stand to gain financially)?

Supposedly it will bring jobs to the regions - will it? Is that the only way to create jobs, spending billions?

Supposedly it will improve regional rail services by freeing up track - will it? If that was the aim, why not focus the business case on that rather than a slightly faster connection to London?

Lifeoverhaul · 11/02/2020 12:48

It's crazy. Billions of pounds for getting somewhere a little bit quicker. It's madness. The North East seems forgotten in it all. Why not spend millions on improvements rather than billions on shiny and new gimmicks.

FruityWidow · 11/02/2020 13:51

They were never going to scrap the idea at this stage. Far too much investment has already taken place and they'd be open to a mindfield of lawsuits from those already involved.
Selling the idea as this super high speed service isn't doing itself any favours. Saving 20 mins on the journey isn't much of an inprovment its the increased capacity that will be of the most benifit.

GroggyLegs · 11/02/2020 14:08

It's insane.
I'm in the west midlands and as PP said, we can get to London in 90 minutes. At peak times it's about £100-80 and only high earners can afford the daily commute into London - how much will HS2 be?

Surely housing and poverty should be prioritised

^ This ^
Funnily enough, shiny fast trains don't feature highly in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, although it fulfills Boris' 'self-actualisation' Angry

Kuponut · 11/02/2020 14:25

I live about 100m away from the line eligible for compensation. We're going to essentially be living under a flyover when a dual carriageway is re-routed to make way for station access. Therefore our house is now pretty worthless... thankfully at least we bought right at the bottom of the market so there's minimal negative equity going to be involved in our situation but it's still depressing as hell.

As for other impacts on our local area - the last impact statement gleefully mentioned the loss of half the local playing fields and football pitch... but that it was OK because the pitch could be relocated to the remaining part... which is a bloody steep hill (the pitches are on the flat bit of the parkland) - that shows the level they've actually looked into the impact around here. Oh yeah 98% of local wildlife habitat lost, a thriving community centre bulldozed which warranted about half a sentence in the report, and a 19 foot (I think it was at the last point but they keep adding feet onto it with every bit of paperwork that comes out) viaduct running right through the centre of the local town centre. 2 local pubs, half our local highstreet due to be bulldozed, a JW worship hall, local gymnastics club... but very old mainly blue-collar housing estates so no one really gives a shit to be honest - these people have scrimped and saved to buy their homes which are now essentially worthless.

For the record I get on a train from here with the end destination of London every day - and the service is fine... the track rolling stock is dated and needs updating - but I actually haven't had to put a delay form in in a good few months now thinking about it.

It's basically fodder for people who want a nice big house but don't want to pay London prices and it's going to destroy my local community and probably any hope we had of ever moving up the property ladder in order to provide that... so I guess I'm due another overly offensive explanation of how it's vitally needed from yet another Southerner on here now.

It's not going to bring jobs to the regions - it's going to bring cheaper housing accessible by expanding the South-East commuter belt upwards.

What we actually need around here as someone who uses the intercity route that ends up in London daily (I do a local stop between two cities) is station upgrades of the intermediate stations which are short platforms meaning that the full length of the 8-10 car trains can be boarded on. An improvement on the mainline, upgrade of East Midlands Parkway and improving the transport connections to that ... it was a fucking pain in the rear it being constructed but bring the Nottingham tram to it and on to the airport... and then make Parkway the hub - not the ridiculously congested Toton which jams up to oblivion everytime someone sneezes and is basically in the arse end of nowhere. They're not even going to be able to get the construction traffic up to the depot where they're planning to work from round here - that's how stupid it is.

Vinorosso74 · 11/02/2020 14:45

Completely unnecessary waste of money. I regularly pass where HS2 is being built around Euston. It has destroyed some homes and businesses already. There are some new council flats built which I would hope those who lost their homes.have moved into it.
The money should be spent on improving existing rail networks and public transport in general. There are plenty of other things it could be spent on too!

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 11/02/2020 14:48

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dameofdilemma · 11/02/2020 15:54

But apparently it’s supported by the Northern Powerhouse, which is all about regeneration in the North...allegedly...

It’s all a bit opaque to say the least.

mencken · 11/02/2020 15:58

almost glad the bloody thing doesn't come anywhere near our railwayless area. As always, the wrong solution to a problem.

it has been clear from the start that it will never get beyond Birmingham, and I don't believe the promises now. All about London.

Cameron's second greatest foul-up, or third if you count the equally over budget Olympics. I hope he is proud.

TheMemoryLingers · 11/02/2020 16:00

Well, by the time it gets up to where I live at least I'll be old enough to buy a Senior Railcard.

However, it's a waste of money and devastating to the environment. The money would be better spent improving the existing rail network. Not much use being able to get from Leeds to London in 90 minutes if it takes me two hours to get to fecking Leeds on a Pacer.

Pixxie7 · 11/02/2020 23:50

Well said groggylegs@ you have hit the nail on the head.

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