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If your child/teen has great mental health...

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Fridakahlofan · 30/01/2020 07:15

Is there anything you think that helped to build that resilience in childhood?

Tips please.

I know it can still come out of nowhere despite a 'perfect' childhood and so I am not trying to say that problems people are experiencing are anyone's fault.

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JanuaryIsNotTheOnlyMonth · 30/01/2020 13:20

Not offended at all, Frida. It was an interesting question, and it's good to ask ourselves sometimes, 'How do we keep children mentally healthy?' rather than 'How do we help when it's all gone wrong?'

Sp11111ng · 30/01/2020 17:45

Actually to have great mental health means struggling and learning to cope which takes time imvho.

We will all struggle. Nobody goes through life without any mental struggles. We will all suffer from grief at the very least.

Trying to train kids not to expect struggles isn’t healthy and actually I think having a shit time as a teen is far favourable than breezing through. You’ll have your family around you for support and be better prepared for adulthood.

Fridakahlofan · 30/01/2020 19:48

I think that is a very good point @Sp11111ng

I had a terrible break up when I was in my late teens and I am so grateful I went through that heart ache when I was young. I learned so much and was able to be (a bit) less of a wreck the next time it happened.

So, I'm going with these main points:

  • a lot of it is luck/personality
  • don't pile on pressure at home
  • be there for him/her warts and all
  • acknowledge and talk about life being hard/rubbish some (or a lot) of the time
  • encourage hobbies they actually enjoy (even if only to make an extra set of friends)
  • make sure they have down time

Toddler is about to turn 2 so at the moment life seems very easy. Just show her some ducks and all of her problems are solved!

Perhaps we will be lucky and ducks will always work...

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Fridakahlofan · 30/01/2020 19:51

oh and
-give them freedom to make mistakes so they feel empowered to make their own decisions.

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milliefiori · 30/01/2020 20:05

Recently DS2 had some really sad news that knocked his confidence. He is prone to depression by nature - it runs in the family. I was so proud of him and a bit proud of myself, watching how he handled it: he ran luxurious bubble baths, watched back to back favourite comedies, went for frosty walks and fixed up to meet with friends for lunch and cinema. In 2 days he was back to normal. At his age I'd have been on a downward spiral because my family were depressive and wallowed in it. I learned for myself and tried to pass on to DC how to be emotionally resilient. This was the first experience of himusing al these small strategies second nature to bounce back after a knock. I was so so proud of him.

Sp11111ng · 30/01/2020 20:07

It would take more than bubble baths to get over what my son has gone through and that is ok.

milliefiori · 30/01/2020 20:08

I think one of the most important things is for a child to know you accept them for who they are and how they are. If they are bad at things that matter to you, it's fine. If they are passionate about things that bore you, that's fine. If, as they get older, their religious or political beliefs are different from yours, their sexual orientation not what you'd assumed - all fine. They are who they are and you love them for that. I think the thing that really knocks children is believing that their parents' love is conditional on them being puppets to the parents' wishes.

milliefiori · 30/01/2020 20:10

@Sp11111ng - of course. But actually, don;t knock those small restorative actions. They really can help you keep your head above water instead of descending. Self-care, even in small actions like that - is key to a sense of well being, i really passionately believe that, having spent years battling severe depression and a whole year doing nothing but researching what could help cure it. My own findings were that regular tiny actions of self care and connection to the world are what can help you get back on your feet and stay afloat. It;s easy to sneer and dismiss these apparently small things. But they do add up and they truly make a difference.

lljkk · 30/01/2020 20:15

Let them fail. At least sometimes. And take risks.

I think those things are valuable, anyway. They can't learn to succeed without some tastes of failure.

Sp11111ng · 30/01/2020 20:16

Not sneering but they won’t cure many areas of mental health. And parents accepting their children is a tiny part of mental health. Fat lot of good it does if the rest of their immediate world doesn’t.

BertieBotts · 30/01/2020 20:49

DS1 is 11 and has a touch of anxiety relating to perfectionism but I'd describe him as emotionally/mentally healthy overall - he deals with day to day things very well, his anxiety manifests over starting new situations or going to new places or getting things exactly right (like following homework instructions to the letter). To be honest nothing out of the ordinary that most people wouldn't feel anxious about! He makes friends easily, is kind and thoughtful (when he's not stuck in a preteen stubbornly self-centred mood anyway), able and willing to attempt new things and problem solve when things go wrong (most of the time.)

Obviously he could just be like that :) But I do think there are a couple of things I've done that have felt very important to me and I'm trying to do for DS2 as well. (He's just 1 - huge gap!)

I have always made a point to accept and validate feelings/emotions. There is a great book called How To Talk So Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk which explains a lot about this approach. There is also a Little Kids version which is specifically for parenting children aged 2-7 (The original is better for 4-12, although useful for any age.) The information in them both is good. I think the little kids one is a bit more modern and accessible. There's another parenting approach I've come across recently called RIE, the most well known proponent being Janet Lansbury (You can follow her on Facebook and she has a great free podcast). This approach also stresses the importance of accepting our children's emotions, even the ones we find stressful. The book and the RIE materials explain that we often want to "fix" our children's feelings, so tell them "Ssssh, it's OK, don't cry" or distract them out of being upset, or try to reason with them "Hey, I'll be there in a minute" - you can even find yourself saying stuff which outright dismisses negative feelings like "It's not that bad, don't make a fuss" "That's enough [crying or whining]" "Come on, be a brave girl" etc. The approaches I've followed suggest that it's better if you don't do that but instead give the child space to work through their feelings and say things like "Oh, that sounds like a hard day" or "That was a bad fall!" Anger I've found harder to work with, but I think it's quite important, especially for girls (girls are often inadvertantly taught that anger isn't acceptable, when what we mean is that aggression isn't acceptable. It is useful to note the difference.)

OTOH I would definitely advise to wait and see how they react and try to be neutral before they do! For example for a fall in the park if you rush in with "Oh my poor baby how is your knee, are you bleeding?" it is likely to upset them more whereas if you wait to see their reaction, they will often just get up and carry on playing! But in general the idea is that we can be quite afraid of our children being upset almost and we want to make it better all the time. But by letting them be upset and work through it, they learn how to sit with difficult, uncomfortable feelings and that it's safe and natural to have to work through them. Also, I am a believer that if you listen sincerely to the little problems (a biscuit breaking IS a heartbreaking ordeal when you are two) they will trust you to listen to their big problems later.

We are now getting the start of hormonal mood swings, and sometimes I just reflect it back to him "You sound angry, has something annoyed you?" or if the effect is (to my ears) slightly comical, like his ranting about his maths book the other day (he was outraged that it had the audacity to set a question he deemed unanswerable) I just took a jokey tone and said something like Hey, what has this poor book ever done to you? It's just living its life as a failed tree and now it gets some hapless teenager ranting on at it! Poor book! Let's have a look at this question. He finds that funny and it can help him look at his own reaction and see that yes, it's a bit out of proportion to be so annoyed at a stack of paper. But we have also talked about mood swings and how they can sometimes make feelings feel a bit out of proportion.

I have also always tried to treat him with respect and speak to him, not as an equal exactly because I understand that I am an adult with responsibility for him, not to mention 20 years of life experience and maturity over him, but I have never gone in for parenting where I say jump and expect him to say how high. It's more like our family is a team and I (and DH once he came into our lives) are the team leads. In certain cases we make decisions and that is final but generally we are open to negotiation and discussion and this is really coming into its own now DS1 is getting older. I've always approached all issues with a "simplified version of the facts" approach even when we've faced some really tough topics like his father being absent due to being a general knobjockey, elderly family members passing away, even a friend dealing with childhood cancer (thankfully now cancer free). So he knows that we don't lie to him or bluff him off and (I hope) it means he's not afraid to talk to us about tough stuff. I'm trying to make time for real conversation as often as possible now he's getting older and wanting to hole himself up in his room and play games or spend time with his friends. Actually this paragraph has just reminded me of an old parenting website I used to go on called TCS - Taking Children Seriously.

I also think friendship groups are hugely important in the teen years and (from my own experience) having several potential "pools" of friends. So for example, school friends and then doing an activity (or two) where they meet a different group of people, or family friends where you get together and your kids know each other. This is a long way off for you yet but I found it massively helpful during my teens when one of my friendship groups was turbulent and full of in-fighting (which happened periodically) to be able to turn to the other and get support there. I would say even more so today considering they all have whatsapp groups etc to keep in touch at all times, which can be stifling. Incidentally we were four girls and one boy in one of these groups and the one boy was frequently baffled by all of our constant friend dramas - apparently teenage boys don't tend to do that so much.

Sp11111ng · 30/01/2020 21:20

Did all that and had that book. Made not a jot of difference. An 11 year old is a world away from a teen and serious life shit. Literally none of that will work with an angry teen going through a shitty time. Sorry.

BertieBotts · 30/01/2020 21:34

I don't think anybody is saying that parenting can prevent teenagers from having a shitty time. There is no "inoculation" for mental health. I didn't take the OP entirely literally - I know what she means.

For me it's less "How to prevent them suffering MH problems" (because this is impossible) and more "How can I make sure I'm not causing them any MH problems in addition to whatever they encounter in life". Obviously they can still happen through trauma, biology, random bad luck.

To me it sounds like you have a good understanding of your teen and empathy for them which means it's likely in time they will have a better chance of overcoming whatever has happened to them in a healthy way rather than continuing to struggle throughout their life.

Guineapigbridge · 31/01/2020 16:26

When my kids whine I say that sounds frustrating for you but I try not to jump in to fix the problem.
I try to encourage being outside in nature.
I try to model that going for a walk can really help your mood when low or angry.
I talk to them about the connections between poor nutrition and feeling low, and drug/alcohol use and feeling low.
And that's all you can do really.

Guineapigbridge · 31/01/2020 16:30

My sister has poor mental health sometimes. For her it's totally hormonal and nutritional (not getting enough iron, magnesium, omegas, vitamin B). And as a child she was always way more woe-is-me the-world-is-against-me than the rest of us. So it's personality too.

JanuaryIsNotTheOnlyMonth · 31/01/2020 17:36

Can I add a few things?

No child or teenager can be mentally on top form without enough sleep.

DS's doctor said to us recently, 'Getting so little sleep is frankly a recipe for psychosis in anyone.'

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