how do I stop my 4yo from pooing in a pullup?

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I am so bored of it.
He is not sorted on potty training poos even though he has been done on wees for 2 years and I think this is part of the problem as he likes to do a big one in the mornings.

He is now on movicol to help him not soil his pants so much, but I think that he has mixed messages because he considers he can poo in a pull up.

I have tried him no pull up and he mostly wees the bed. I dont mind that so much except that it goes on his duvet and I cant get the duvet washed and dried every night.

Someone else must be used to this problem. how do I solve it?

Thanks

Let him use the pull-up. Better that than he gets freaked out and starts withholding. It's a pretty common phase of toilet training.

its been common for 2 years though.
he has no desire to change the situation.

You might find these worth a try -

They are pads which will catch
Most of an accident but make the child more aware that it’s happened .
Read the blurb about the product for a better explanation!

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What is the incentive for him not to soil? Have you tried using reward charts etc? Can you use a sticker chart to work towards a treat where every time he goes a day with no soiling he gets a sticker, earn 5 stickers and he gets a reward (Eg: outing, new toy).

Also if the problem is only happening when he wears a pull-up then it is possible to buy waterproof duvet covers which would mean you wouldn’t have to wash and dry the actual duvet if he wets the bed but only change the cover.

Have a look at the Eric website. It has some excellent advice about supporting a child to move on from pooing in a pull-up on nappy, to pooing in the toilet.

It's a slow process with lots of stages, but I've known it be very effective.

I had similar and just removed the pull up...but my DS refused to poo in his pants.

We had to limit drinks on a night but he got it pretty quickly!

As for the poos he now poos on the toilet every night before bed!

When you say he usually likes to do a poo in the morning, do you know roughly what time? If it is just before he wakes, in that 'just coming to' state, might it be worth getting him up a bit earlier (I'm thinking 6am instead of 7am, for instance) and popping him on the potty while reading to him (gentle, relaxing, positive early morning experience) and see if his need to poo in the morning is greater than his preference of recepticle?
My DD took a while to get pooing on her potty, and in the end it was bribery that did it ; the 'poo fairy' would deliver her and her older sister a Sylvanian (from a second hand bundle off eBay as would have cost £££ otherwise...) every time she produced. It took two weeks, but she was motivated and cracked it. She wasn't as old as your DS, but he might still be susceptible to this kind of incentive.
Good luck anyway, it can be so draining.

You have to make it more convenient for HIM to do his poo in the place you want and less in the place you don’t. I would imagine on days with no poo in a pull up there could be time to watch tv/go to the playground/make pancakes/play on tablet, but sadly if it’s in the pull up the time must be used cleaning and setting things straight.

Oh yes, a previous poster has reminded me of the ERIC website. Their resource 'Poo goes home to Pooland' absolutely persuaded my oldest to poo on the toilet. I had forgotten about that. Your DS is old enough to make the transition to toilet right away if you want to skip the potty stage.

he doesnt respond to incentives or bribes.

Some good ideas here tho, thanks.
and I will also look at the waterproof duvet and pads

Just sticking our heads in to say that OP has been around the boards for quite some time and nothing at all suggests they're anything other than a genuine MNer.

As you were!

potty training pants is a good idea. I used to have some but thought were past that.

He is ok in the day, often has a day without accidents, and movicol is helping (a bit, ever the optimist), but he has got back into the habit of pooing in the morning.

Been there with pooland, he waves them off, the eric resources are about someone scared not to poo in nappy I think - been there. there is a bag of chocolate waiting for him to have one if his pullup is clean but he has only had one in 10 days.

he has previously had some success with this, regressed to a little bit, but is now in full poo again. pull ups dont hold it enough

sorry to whoever thought I was a poo troll

I don’t think chocolate is a great incentive. I think days with no poo other than in the loo are more fun and those with are busy and not so fun.

Was movicol prescribed by a GP? I would have thought that it would make it worse not better?

I don't have the ability to differentiate fun / not fun. He has childcare, swimming etc. And he has siblings who don't deserve to be unfunned if he poos himself.

He is not incentivised by stuff anyway. We have tried.

I think we are going to by some night pants and tell him he can't poo in them, cloth pants I mean

Yes prescribed by gp. It was a question about constipation. But it does also bilk it up which means he knows he needs to poo.

Except he just does it in his pull up which defeats the object

Poo goes to poo land as mentioned above helped enormously with our DD. She was also in this situation. With a reward for every poo that went in the right place.

His poo does go to pooland. Sometimes.
And he doesn't care if it doesnt

Personally I'd withdraw the pull ups completely. It will be messy for a while but he'll soon learn. I can't imagine anything worse than wearing a pull up full of poo at 4. I would have hated it at that age.

Hello. This sounds odd but it might work. At the moment he has no reason not to soil the pull up. They are efficient at stopping discomfort. So, put big boy pants on under his pull ups. Emphasise the nature of big boy pants, he will learn not to poo in them. Pull ups to catch accidents, source - fantastic health visitor.

I wish he would hate it! He isn't tiny any more.

He only wears them at night, but I think it is the only way to go and let him weethe bed for a week or so to see if he can crack the poo bit.

Well night one.
He peed the bed but I think it was this morning as it doesn't smell. No poo.

And it didn't get on the duvet this time

My dd only ever pooed in her pull up at night. We think it was because she was relaxed. This was caused by her severe constipation.

Once that was cleared by a pessary and picosulphate regularly (Movicol and Lactulose did not work for us) she was dry at night and pooed in the day on the toilet. She was 5.

Hi OP, we had a v similar experience.

After lots of terrible stressful times of doing things like refusing him a nappy, we took a step back and stopped fighting it.

The summer holidays before he started school full time I explained what was going to happen and started a process that involved
using the nappy but standing in the toilet...then
Using the nappy but sitting on the toilet...then
Using the nappy sitting on the toilet, but with a little hole in it that gets bigger over the weeks...

Honestly, I felt like a fool cutting holes in nappies but it bloody worked!