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HMRC - what happens when you report someone, how to they investigate?

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onetomanytotake · 08/01/2020 07:33

Does anyone work for HMRC and know what they do when you are reported online? This is for a mobile beautician who has never registered with HMRC but who is earning between £300 and £800 a week, all in cash, on top of another partime declared job.

What investigations would be carried out, how long woudl it take to start from reporting and how likely is there to be a conviction or a request for unpaid taxes to be made?

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 08/01/2020 08:44

How will reporting her enhance your life.

CherryPavlova · 08/01/2020 08:53

If this is you, I’d see an accountant and look at whether I needed to pay tax and if I did, I’d make a plan to pay it and write to HMRC with that plan.
If it’s a friend, I’d advice as above.
If it’s to drop someone in trouble for some sort of revenge, I’d think life is too short and that it says more about the person reporting someone trying to survive.

onetomanytotake · 08/01/2020 20:08

Thank you Cherry. My friend's ex has said he has reported her (not sure if he is bluffing).

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Pipandmum · 08/01/2020 20:14

If she's not declaring her income she's not making contributions to get a state pension etc.
Not sure she's doing much different than the other thread about the family accepting benefits for kids they no longer have. Why isn't she paying her tax?

user1497207191 · 08/01/2020 20:16

HMRC can take several months/years to act on reports. In the meantime, they may or may not be doing research, i.e. checking social media, websites, business listings, etc., to see if there is any evidence to back up the report.

If they think there is something in it, they'll contact her.

Lilmissmissy · 08/01/2020 20:18

Its a very very long drawn out process ( i do not work for hmrc) but from experience, i reported my old boss for under paying and not declaring work, false wage slips etc.

It took months and months for them to gather evidence. So tbh if he has dobbed her in she might get away with it unless he has very solid proof.

LaurieFairyCake · 08/01/2020 20:25

Tell her to keep detailed records so she can prove she isn't earning that from now on

UhKevin · 08/01/2020 20:54

And if she does continue to earn that...?

PMSL at tax dodging being just fine because she must be ‘trying to survive’. We all need housing and food. Let’s all just go self-employed and stop paying in. Jesus.

user1497207191 · 09/01/2020 14:37

how likely is there to be a conviction or a request for unpaid taxes to be made?

Fairly unlikely for a conviction unless the amount of tax unpaid is huge or she doesn't co-operate.

As for the unpaid taxes - 100% she'll have to pay what she has evaded, plus interest, plus surcharges and probably plus penalties too. No way they'll let her off any tax that she'd have paid if she'd been honest in the first place. If they did that it would just encourage others to evade their taxes too.

onetomanytotake · 09/01/2020 15:12

Thanks for your responses all.

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leckford · 09/01/2020 15:17

I think for that low level of earnings they probably wouldn’t bother. I think they generally go after those earning large amounts

user1497207191 · 09/01/2020 16:50

I think for that low level of earnings they probably wouldn’t bother. I think they generally go after those earning large amounts

They definitely DO go after low level profits too. I've dealt with full enquiries when the tax at stake as only been a few hundred.

But an average of £500 per week isn't "low". It's £26k per year on which tax/NIC would be about £7/£8k per year. So over 5 years would be £35k-£40k. That's pretty substantial.

emma123456 · 09/01/2020 21:39

Why shouldn’t you report someone who is deliberately evading tax? It’s theft from you and I. Everyone has to contribute for society to function - why do some people feel that they shouldn’t?

jelly79 · 09/01/2020 21:46

Is she claiming benefits too...?

Nat6999 · 09/01/2020 22:02

I'm ex HMRC, the majority of letters accusing tax evasion after being looked at turn out to be false accusations. Any that are fully investigated are risk assessed & the person who has been accused will be called in for interview after their tax records have been thoroughly checked out. Bearing in mind that HMRC staffing levels have been severely reduced, even with improved technology it is impossible to investigate everything. Investigating someone who owes a small amount may cost more than the amount that is collected even with penalties added.

onetomanytotake · 09/01/2020 22:05

No jelly, she's not claiming benefits too. She's middle aged and has been doing this for many years so the amount owed will be very significant (I wasn't aware until she admitted to me recently following the comment from her ex).

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Nat6999 · 09/01/2020 22:24

HMRC has a computer system where they can examine anyone's bank records, they have to have justification to be allowed to do this but it is possible. If your friend is not banking the money & operating in cash, it may be harder to fully prove how much she hasn't declared but they do have ways & means to estimate how much has been evaded. They do do investigations where people are monitored & observed, it isn't unusual for potential candidates for tax evasion investigation to be covertly watched, test purchases made, checking out Ebay, local newspapers, social media, adverts in shop windows are all ways that subjects for investigation are selected.

onetomanytotake · 12/01/2020 12:03

Thank you for your replies, I have advised her to see an accountant and sort herself out.

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