Indyref 2

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Nicola Sturgeon has said that she will be pushing very hard for another Scottish independence referendum. I’m not that close to this debate, but as far as I can tell there doesn’t seem to be any real detail about how it would work if she got her wish.

The Brexit vote was heavily criticised for a lack of detail and that the electorate didn’t understand what they were voting for. We all know the hassle around the Irish border, backstop, trade deals, divorce bill etc.

Has anyone explained clearly how things would work for Scotland ? E.g. would there be a hard border between England and Scotland ? Would they keep the Pound ? How will taxes work ? What about Trident ? etc etc.

Unless all of this is clearly articulated before any indyref vote, won’t the whole thing just turn into another Brexit-like shambles ?

I genuinely don’t understand so apologies if this has already been done.

There was quite a bit of discussion of this before the 2014 referendum.
Some summarized here.
wingsoverscotland.com/reference/

But while it was discussed it wasn't persuasive enough to win people over compared to nearly all newspapers in Scotland, lots of companies saying they would leave etc.

Lesley riddoch has some interesting work such as the book Blossom and also mcsmorgasbord which looks at how Nordic countries are structured and their relationship to the eu.

theweebluebook.com/ same source and same vintage.

That was a big issue last time and I can’t see it changing going forward. The issue of whether Scotland would even be eligible to join the EU was never clarified last time and there was nothing on borders, currency etc.

And since then the SNP are hardly smashing it in their ability to govern Scotland. Education standards aren’t great, nor is health or policing but apparently that’s not as important as independence?

The thing is, we have now had the experience of Brexit since the last indyref. One would hope the Scottish electorate would demand to know exactly what was on offer in a new vote, or they could end up in a similar 3+ years of divisive uncertainty and argument.

They won 80% of Scottish seats with a clear mandate of independence. They can’t be doing that badly?

Most of the people I know who voted SNP did it as a tactical vote in order to “block the tories”. Not because they like Nicola or want independence. I voted YES last time but it’ll be a big NO from me if there is a next time...

Aurignacian Whilst I acknowledge the SNP did exceptionally well in Scotland, they secured 45% of votes cast in a campaign in which they appeared to go out of their way to minimise mentions of independence.

In what way is that a "clear mandate of independence"?

I agree with OP. I live in Scotland and lots of my friends are pro-indy. I get the sentiment but when I ask questions about cost, currency, Defence, customs, trade etc, there is NEVER a sensible factual answer. The best offering is "our oil will pay for it"
Aye, like the last time when the arse fell out of the oil industry and Scotland would have been left bankrupt. The idolising of Sturgeon who has no answers is terrifying.

How can anyone lay out in detail what the relationship with rUK would be like (borders and trade etc) when we have no idea what the UK will have in terms of trade agreements, borders in NI yet? It is a high standard to expect the SNP to sort this out for Scotland when we've been waiting years for Westminster to sort out Brexit.

They won’t need a hard boarder because the chances of an independent Scotland being allowed to join the EU any time soon is almost non-existent.

Still, more chance than England will have.