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"I lost £193,000 but the bank offered me £25 in compensation"

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chomalungma · 07/12/2019 12:16

www.theguardian.com/money/2019/dec/07/i-lost-my-193000-inheritance-with-one-wrong-digit-on-my-sort-code

I don't even know where to start with this.
A solicitor was sending an inheritance to a client. The client gave the right details, but the wrong sort code.

The bank transferred the money. The mistake was realised but the bank was unable to get the money back and the person who got it started spreading it around and refused to refund it,

Turns out that one of the solutions is to ensure that the name matches the account as well. This is all to do with bank transfer fraud.
This won't happen until March next year.

In the meantime, he went to court to force the bank to reveal the name of the customer. Barclays fought it - but eventually they had to. He did eventually get the money from the customer via the court.

The bank refused to pay the legal fees for what the client had to do. But when contacted by the Guardian, they did. All £46,000 of them.

It's too easy to make transfer errors - even if you check carefully. Banks should check carefully to ensure that the bank account is the same name as expected and there should be a system if money is put in the wrong account and the bank knows there's been an error.

OP posts:
ActualHornist · 07/12/2019 13:24

@Poissonpoison what do you mean? When do you ever have to give an address to send a payment?

Sort codes are not always linked to a branch. In fact they're most likely not anymore. They'll have central batches.

AutumnRose1 · 07/12/2019 13:25

I was shocked when I found out names weren’t attached, I don’t know how banks got away with it for so long.

diddl · 07/12/2019 13:26

I agree with a pp-why couldn't Barclays have at least frozen the money?

They did do as directed, but to just ask the other person if they could take it & shrug when the person said no??!!

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Poissonpoison · 07/12/2019 13:26

Im thinking of direct debits Blush oops!

MsRomanoff · 07/12/2019 13:27

I had 26k transferred to my account when I sold my home. The bank called me and had to do checks and wanted to know where it was from before I actually had it.

How did that amount just appear in someone account?

ActualHornist · 07/12/2019 13:28
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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 13:35

Also, since this money was an inheritance and the transfer made by a solicitor, all the evidence was there. The accidental recipient didn’t have a leg to stand on. Why weren’t they arrested for theft?

Agreed. There are very strict money laundering regulations now, often preventing people from being able to pay in money to somebody's account at the counter without ID, which never used to present a problem.

Even if you pay a very large amount of money into your own account, they will ask you for details of where the money has come from.

All the thief's bank need to do is to report them for suspected money laundering and set the machine for that in motion, requiring the account holder to explain the provenance of the money.

"I inherited it from my Great Aunt Gladys, who lived at 28 Acacia Gardens, Anytown, and died on 8th July this year. Probate was dealt with by XXX solicitors" = very reasonable explanation and case closed.

"Erm, it just appeared in my account and I thought, Ooh, lots of money, I'll start spending it" = highly suspicious and reason to pursue the intended prosecution for money laundering and/or fraud unless the accused comes up with a much better explanation.

Definitely agree with the sending a very small amount through first, then nothing can go wrong. If it does, it's undeniably the bank's liability. You just select your 'previous payee' on your banking dashboard, who has confirmed the safe arrival of £1 from you, and then send £200,000 to the exact same payee details, changing only the payment reference from 'Test' to 'Probate Payment' or something like that.

LemonPrism · 07/12/2019 13:38

Who doesn't triple check their sort code for a nearly £200k transfer ??

BooseysMom · 07/12/2019 13:42

*My friend lost £600 like this , transferred it to her partners account but 1 number in account number was wrong so it ended up in someone else's bank

Her bank wouldn't help get it back they sent a letter to owner off account but they didn't respond and that was all they said they could do.

It was £600 she really couldn't afford to lose either and was really distressing for her and her partner

It just is so wrong that banks can't just take it back straight away.*

Well my experience with Barclays is this.. I contacted them to say I had made a mistake and paid someone £600, can they please reverse the payment? Once they had established i was indeed who i said i was, they instantly returned my payment. This was about 20 years ago mind!

dottiedodah · 07/12/2019 13:54

Surely this is theft? I cannot see how if money is paid in like this, and is clearly in the wrong place then the money is not theirs is it? Ludicrous that it had to go to Court FFS!

Longfacenow · 07/12/2019 13:57

I accidentally put money into someone's account, three month's worth of standing orders actually, and when I found out the money hadn't gone to the recipient, contacted Barclays who were useless and I had to ask the CAB to help me and still don't have it back.

BodenGate · 07/12/2019 13:58

I hope he moved all of his money to another bank as soon as he could. It must have been so stressful and distressing for them.

GreenTulips · 07/12/2019 13:58

How can it be theft? If someone gave you something and you kept it, it’s hardly theft.

It’s morally wrong. But I agree a few pounds wouldn’t be a huge deal but £££££ is a big mistake to make

Hopefully the banks will put something else in place

Coatzillaclaus · 07/12/2019 14:00

Why the hell did the wrong person start spending it?! How stupid, of course they’d have to give it back 🙄

PrettyShiningPeople · 07/12/2019 14:03

@GreenTulips. It’s deception, look it up.

Longfacenow · 07/12/2019 14:04

It's theft in the sense it wasn't a gift, it was error!

DingDongSchadenfreudeOnHigh · 07/12/2019 14:04

To be fair - the error was on the part of the customer who accidentally gave the wrong sort code.

The bank could not it appears (legally)just move the money back out of the wrong account without the account-holder's permission (which was refused).

Nor could the back (legally) reveal the wrong account holder's name.

This is why it's had to go through the court.

What I can't understand is

  1. why this huge legal feel could not be claimed back from the person who attempted to keep the money, knowing it wasn't theirs,

  2. why that person isn't being prosecuted for theft (or perhaps they are, and that is why their name hasn't been revealed - but there again, it could be a legal confidentiality thing.

Many, many years ago I remember a case where the following happened:

  1. Bank transferred huge sum of money (hundreds of thousands) into woman's bank account

  2. woman realised immediately she saw it and contacted bank - this isn't my money

  3. bank said yes it is

  4. woman said - no it isn't, you need to find who it belongs to and give it back to them

  5. bank said - we don't make mistakes, you stupid woman - this is your money

The above exchange took place several times over a period of months . The bank insisted they were right and refused to take the money back. The woman thought - "Fair enough, then" and spent it. She bought the sort of things you would buy if you came into a ridiculously large same of money - a new house that you couldn't otherwise afford, furniture to fill it, a couple of holidays etc. Then someone suddenly noticed that they were Lots of Money short, contacted the bank and the bank decided they wanted it back from the woman. All of it. She refused because she didn't have it. The bank took her to court. They lost.

The judge said that the woman had made every attempt to give the money back - she was not a dishonest person. She had tried several times (and thank heavens, had kept the documentation - this was before most people used e-mail); she had repeatedly told them she had no right to the money, and they insisted that it was hers and made no attempt to find the real accountholder.

The only way she could make any reparations would have been by selling the home she and her family now lived in, and then remain in debt to the bank until the rest was paid off. She could only escape that debt by declaring herself bankrupt (which, of course, meant having any personal assets seized as partial debt payment). The judge refused to allow the bank to force that to happen.

He pointed out that had she just kept quiet and spent the money, his decision would have been very different, but she had done her best to alert the bank to their error, and the bank had insisted that it wasn't their mistake. It was the bank's mistake, and they had to pay for it. They certainly ended up paying the customer they'd robbed (there was no onus on this customer to check that money had gone into their account - they were careless, but not unreasonable to expect the bank to look after the account because that was the bank's job). I can't remember what happened about any legal fees the woman incurred, but I imagine they were awarded against the bank.

I remember this because it gave me a warm, rosy glow.

jackstini · 07/12/2019 14:09

I had a tenant pay rent into the wrong bank account (1 digit wrong on sort code) recipient spent it, bank said not their fault. Tenant never got it back (then did a runner owing 4 months' rent so neither did I)

Agree matching the name should absolutely be a basic check - shocked it isn't

user1486131602 · 07/12/2019 14:16

Six customers have the same account number.
It’s only the sort code that differentiates the accounts. Names should be used but aren’t. They are only a reference.
The financial ombudsman should have been involved as all banking institutions have a code of practice to adhere to. And can have MASSIVE fines for this type of fraud.

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/12/2019 14:17

Poor man. I’m so glad he got it back. Especially as his father was a Holocaust survivor.

ListeningQuietly · 07/12/2019 14:19

Bank accounts are 8 digits long
that means that every bank could have 100,000,000 account numbers
without using the same number twice
It is UNFORGIVABLE that Barclays used the same number twice

DingDongSchadenfreudeOnHigh · 07/12/2019 14:26

I agree with Listening

I can't see the necessity for duplicate account numbers.

Tistheseason17 · 07/12/2019 14:27

The person in the wrong is the the person who received it in error and refused to return it.

Tha bank made it difficult which is why they are paying the legal fees - but there is no way if £193K was deposited in my account in error would I keep it. Shame on that person.

SlipperyLizard · 07/12/2019 14:29

I can’t understand why no government has changed the law such that banks can give the name of the recipient to the police where it is alleged that they aren’t entitled to the money. It is theft, pure and simple, and should be investigated accordingly (assuming there’s sufficient evidence, as there would have been in this case as a solicitor was involved).

This affects so many people, yet dealing with it properly isn’t high on anyone’s agenda.

Aridane · 07/12/2019 14:29

Oh banks can do all they checks in the world when they are personally liable - ie know your customer/ identity checks on opening an account. But when it comes to customer protection, you're on your own

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