Anti vax step mum

[vacci]

Nc
Really p'eed off. Received a message from step mum, we hsve minimal contact, has never met dc etc.
Step mum says
^Hi Hope you are well.
In the past I have mentioned that it is important to do your research before you vaccinate. It is a subject I have avoided with you as you were not and probably are not receptive to. But still I feel I should try as there are many parents of vaccine injured children who say they wish they had done their research. Vaccines can and do injure children. The more personal stories I hear the more I am convinced that you may have been injured too and that some of your issues go back to vaccines you most likely had as a child. Please for your sake and for dc's sake do more research. ^
I have responded asking for clarity on which issues she is referring to (I hope not autism)
I am yet to receive a response.

I just wondered how everyone responds to family members/ friends who overstep the mark when it comes to things like vaccines?

Any articles or great arguments for vaccines are welcome.

Message to step mother

“Put the smart phone down love, it’s too clever for you”

As if any of this is her business!!

Love some of these responses 

Thanks all.

She said the same about me having the flu vaccine as apparently she had to keep her kids off school because the school were spraying some sort of flu vaccine in the air.

@BonnesVacances Absolutely not. I think she is referring to autism and another illness. But absolutely not caused by vaccinations.

Oh dear you have my sympathies.
My DGM caught polio in her 20s and never walked again. Our whole family was affected by polio.

Dont waste your time with this. Whatever facts you send in return will be refuted.

These are the people who refuse vit k injections and risk their babies lives.

You can't argue with crazy. You won't convince her and by replying she'll think you're interested in dialogue.

my dd is within spectrum as is her cousin -neither had the triple they were both born before it was introduced - we have another second cousin (child of sibling to cousin) who also is within the spectrum.I suspect one of my aunts was to & she definitely didn't have the vaccination.
So here come my lecture (again again again) Autism as a separate diagnosis was not identified until Kanner in the USA in 1940's identified a series of common symptoms (he blamed Mothers by the way & was influenced by Freud as were many people at that time) almost simultaneously Aspergers in Austria identified a less profound (but similar) series of symptoms that we now commonly associate with him - however because he was working within the Nazi state his work was considered tainted (unjustly I think). Up till about the /1970's many children & adults who had Learning Disabilities, Mental health issues etc were often separated & excluded from society in Asylums for life. Special education was often limited if at all available - hence there was very little need to seek specific diagnosis. The DSM(Diagnostic criteria for mental disorders published by APA - the America Psychological Association) started in 1952 - read this -its pretty explanatory about the further development :
www.spectrumnews.org/news/evolution-autism-diagnosis-explained/
Autism has always existed - it has not suddenly developed since the triple vax or any other vax - children in the past were just considered (hate the following term but its historic terminology) retarded or idiot or whatever (there was a level of affect as to what offensive term people were identified by - makes me shudder) & no one bothered to identify what their issue was or how they could be helped as for your step mother - she is ignorant & you are doing fine & are making the best decision for your dc - ignore her

@mumwon I sent her that thank you.
She sent me a list of memes

What a grade A cunt.

Time to upgrade your minimal contact to full blown no contact and block her completely.

Does your father believe her bullshit and go along with it? If so, he'd be gone too if it were me.

ignore her - &tell her from me that there has been NO INCREASE in numbers of people just an improved diagnosis & my sources are peer reviewed hers are from a biased website - & graphs can be produced to show anything if you ignore the whole - autism has always existed & you are not faulty!!! you are part of the spectrum of humanity - & you don't need fixing - but because our society is not inclusive or supportive of differences you may need help from time to time - as do we all - how many people take hearing aids & glasses for granted?

You can’t argue with stupid. Ignore.

I’d be tempted to reply: Could you send me some of the research you’re talking about which shows vaccines are harmful? Preferably the raw statistical data, but at the very least something published in the BMJ, peer reviewed and tested versus placebo? Thanks so much.

(thinks when I get home will send list of books on asd from my shelf … shelves )

I would just respond with ''thank you for caring'' or something.

My aunt's first son reacted badly to a vaccine back in the late 60s. She was always very anti-mmr and I have a lot of sympathy for her experiences and the way they shaped her. She raised that child. He was severely damaged by the convulsions. That didn't go away. The fashionable thinking evolved that society could shame and mock anybody who raised concerns. I'm glad she didn't live to see the extend of how badly mocked and shamed anybody who held back on vaccines is now.

Before I'm mocked and shamed, MY children did have the mmr.

I have a lot of sympathy for so called anti-vaccine people. I'm not sure that we have ALL of the answers yet. Not sure that the greater good isn't always put before information that focuses on individual cases.

I think she needs to either be ignored or else a brief response saying “thanks for your concern” every time with nothing else.

I bet she had vaccines as a child - I wonder if they are responsible for making her ignorant. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You haven’t seen her or your father since 15/16 and you now have a DC they’ve never met either.

Why is there still limited contact allowing her to railroad you with her opinions?

For your own peace of mind I’d suggest blocking all channels of contact they could use.

Well she's batshit by the sound of it. I dont think schools go spraying flu vaccine like they're trying to get rid of some sort of infestation (stupidity perhaps?). I'm sure you keep your distance but I would do now even more so. She sounds nasty and utterly toxic. I cant imagine you're taking many parenting tips off of her anyway!

I would send her laughing emojis

That meme about INfranrix hexa... I'm reading Infranrix hexa is not used in the USA, but the caption says 'lose babies in the USA' (as if this product is used in USA).

One of my cousins is a fervent anti-vaxxer. Has a lot of woo science ideas, imho, but he means well, so we agree to disagree.

Is it... 60 deaths so far from the 2019 Samoa measles out break and about 100 expected before it's over? Hospitals overwhelmed, horrendous complications. Most deaths were under 5s. Complications among the survivors will be publicised for years to come.

Is there any reason you can’t just block her?

You clearly don’t like each other (no judgement, I don’t think I would like her either), you are LC, she has never met your children which implies you haven’t seen her in years either, and she is no relation to you, just your DF’s second wife. Why not block and have done with it? Blame “phone problems” if your DF brings it up.

I’d just block her.