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Fire at student block of flats in Bolton.

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HelenaDove · 15/11/2019 23:31

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50438177

A huge fire has broken out at a university student accommodation block.

Crowds of students have been evacuated from the building in Bradshawgate in Bolton and police have urged people to avoid the area.

One witness said the fire was "climbing up" the building and "bubbling from the outside

Great Manchester Fire and Rescue Service said 25 fire engines had been at the scene since about 20:30 GMT. It is not known if there are any injuries.

A spokeswoman said there were also three cherry pickers being used to tackle the fire at the six-storey block

Videos posted on social media show debris falling from the building and firefighters tackling flames coming out of the windows on the top floors.

One student tweeted to say she had to leave her belongings and added: "But the main thing is I'm out and I'm safe

Witness Ace Love, 35, said the fire "kept getting more intense, climbing up and to the right because the wind was blowing so hard".

"We could see it bubbling from the outside and then being engulfed from the outside," he added.

"A lot of students got out very fast, someone was very distressed, the rest were on phones calling for help.

"The fire got worse and worse, to the point where you could see through the beams, it was just bare frame

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SweetPetrichor · 16/11/2019 16:30

I love how these scenarios bring it the professional engineer in everyone. As long as there's a stable, fire safe core that can get people out, there was no way this was going to be Grenfell Mk 2...that's just sensationalising a perfectly normal fire. It's a non-story.

HelenaDove · 16/11/2019 16:52

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Direalkileber
@Direalkileber
#boltonfire literally lost EVERYTHING. I live here, I was woken up by the burning smell. I was the last person in that building, they had to break my window and use a ladder to get me out. One of the scariest experiences of my life. Extremely grateful for the fire department"

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HelenaDove · 16/11/2019 16:53

Well Sweet The Grenfell residents dont seem to agree with you.

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HelenaDove · 16/11/2019 16:59

Peter Apps Retweeted
Dr Jonathan Evans
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#boltonfire

Best guess from bits of info at the moment:

a. Originally standard HPL with PIR insulation from 2013
b. Reclad in 2018 before the combustible ban, but possibly only replaced the PIR.

a. Would’ve only been possible with a desktop study
b. Would not be allowed now
Peter Apps Retweeted
Calum McEwan
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Looking at the plans, the old masonry and concrete office building has had a timber framed extension added to the existing roof. (different framing on the section)

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HelenaDove · 16/11/2019 17:02

Peter Apps
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Bolton is the fifth fire this year which has either partially or totally destroyed a multi-occupancy building.

This is a national crisis and the next government can either get to grips with it or explain why they didn't when bodies are being pulled out of a building

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HelenaDove · 16/11/2019 17:16

Peter Apps
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For those asking the five fires are:

Samuel Garside House, Barking, June (timber cladding)
Beechmere Care Home, Crewe, August (timber frame)
Upper Clapton, August (timber cladding)
Worcester Park, Sutton, September (timber frame)
Cube, Bolton, November (tbc)

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redchocolatebutton · 17/11/2019 11:07

I am wonder why this keeps happening in the uk?
what is the difference to block of flats in germany for example?
is it because in other countries heating in flats is central, i.e. one heating unit serving all flats in a building?

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HeIenaDove · 22/11/2019 02:46

www.insidehousing.co.uk/home/home/more-than-100000-medium-rise-buildings-outside-scope-of-fire-safety-measures-minutes-reveal-64231?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

More than 100,000 medium-rise buildings outside scope of fire safety measures, minutes reveal

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22/11/19
BY PETER APPS

There are more than 100,000 medium-rise homes that fall outside new regulations aimed at making buildings safe in the aftermath of Grenfell, including the ban on combustible cladding, Inside Housing can reveal.

More than 100,000 medium-rise buildings outside scope of fire safety measures, minutes reveal

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22/11/19
BY PETER APPS

There are more than 100,000 medium-rise homes that fall outside new regulations aimed at making buildings safe in the aftermath of Grenfell, including the ban on combustible cladding, Inside Housing can reveal.

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Twitter IHLeaked minutes from a meeting between councils and the government show that lowering the high-rise threshold to 11m would increase scope to 100,000 buildings #ukhousing
Leaked minutes from a meeting between local authority figures and government officials have shown that lowering the official threshold for a ‘high-rise building’ to 11m would raise the current number of buildings in scope from 12,000 to more than 100,000.

These buildings, which can be up to seven storeys tall, sit outside requirements to remove dangerous cladding, as well as newer recommendations to provide fire alarms and write evacuation strategies.

The ban on the use of combustible materials also only applies from 18m – meaning new buildings can currently be built with combustible cladding in compliance with government guidance.

The Cube in Bolton, which was ravaged by fire ripping through combustible high-pressure laminate panels last weekend, measured 17.86m, meaning it slipped narrowly below this threshold.

A huge fire that tore through combustible timber cladding in Barking, east London, in June also occurred in a building below 18m.

Industry sources said that builders have deliberately designed projects to narrowly below 18m to circumvent the regulatory requirements that kick in above that threshold.

Scotland recently changed regulations to reduce the threshold to 11m. Sir Martin Moore-Bick, chair of the Grenfell Tower Inquiry, said last month that he would consider recommending such a change in phase two of the inquiry.

It comes as Inside Housing updates its End Our Cladding Scandal campaign ahead of the general election. The campaign calls for a national taskforce to prioritise the building safety work required after Grenfell and a building safety fund that could be used for any tower with serious safety issues, regardless of height.

Funding is currently restricted to buildings with aluminium composite material cladding above 18m only.

The minutes obtained by Inside Housing record a meeting between representatives of London boroughs and government officials held in September.

“There are 12,000 existing buildings over 18m… should we lower the building height to 11m, the number will go up to over 100,000,” they read
Paul Bussey, CDM and fire lead at AHMM Architects and a member of the expert panel on fire safety at the Royal Institute of British Architects, said: “There are people who are gaming the system by limiting buildings to six storeys.

“We are pretty convinced [at RIBA] that the combustibles ban should come down to 11m, if not all buildings. Why put combustible cladding on any building?”

Jonathan O’Neill, managing director at the Fire Protection Association, said he had also heard about the practice of designing below 18m to avoid the ban.

He added that the system should be reformed to prioritise safety based on risk – such as the number of occupants and their vulnerability – rather than simply height.

If you take the Crewe care home fire [Beechmere Care Home], there were 120 elderly residents present. There is no way any height parameter would have applied to that building,” he said.

One other industry source said that if the threshold was not reduced, the effect of the post-Grenfell regulations would simply be “a new generation of buildings narrowly below 18m in height”.

Inside Housing’s End Our Cladding Scandal campaign, run in partnership with leaseholders of affected buildings, calls on the next government to take control of the cladding crisis at a national level.

It is supported by Grenfell United, the Fire Brigades Union, the National Housing Federation, the Chartered Institute of Housing and many others.

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government was unable to comment because of the election.

The Conservative Party did not respond to requests for comment

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