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Britain's Hidden Hunger

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KanelbulleKing · 08/11/2019 11:09

www.itv.com/hub/britains-secret-hunger-exposure/2a7613a0001

Just watching this on catch up and I'm sobbing. How has Britain sunk so low as a country that children are frightened of school holidays because they know they'll be hungry? Children thinking it's Christmas because their family has received a few bags of basic food items?

The existence of food banks in one of the richest countries in the world is a national disgrace. My MIL is knocking on 80 and spends her spare time peeling potatoes and carrots for the lunches her church provides for anyone who needs them. She should be putting her feet up and being served herself but she won't because she's too worried about her 'guests' going hungry.

Time for change?

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Passthecherrycoke · 09/11/2019 09:16

When I Donate to food banks I always buy mid range branded ie Nescafé, dove shower gel, pampers because I think although I would be grateful to get anything from a food bank I would feel really special to get nice stuff. A bit of dove shower gel would really brighten up my week

Dowser · 09/11/2019 09:19

Make legal aid affordable for women fleeing domestic abuse, fighting in court to protect their children from abuse is mentally and financially draining

My dd in law paid her barrister over £15k and still lost her kids..now he’s showing himself in his true colours.

Dowser · 09/11/2019 09:34

Cynthia...so true
My relative was sole carer for her elderly mother. Her dh Had lots of medical conditionS and was unable to work and was on benefits. She also had to care for her adult son with mental health problems.
Then dh got cancer and died within a year. There was nothing in the pot for her after the widows allowance was stopped.
She had a house that was dropping to bits with no money to repair it, no savings and had to get a job at 56 after caring for her children, mother and husband for decades. Her mum was 96 when she passed away.
Fortunately she met someone and remarried but still works as she wants her own money and is now comfortably off but on her earnings as a carer on her own I think she would’ve still struggled.
She thought her private pension would kick in at 55 but even that was not the case.

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/11/2019 09:49

When I Donate to food banks I always buy mid range branded ie Nescafé, dove shower gel, pampers

I would have thought these were all quite expensive items.

Not watched the programme but growing up we were sent out of the house with no breakfast, just a jam butty and told not to come back till tea time.

I do remember feeling hungry but everyone was the same.

My dgm worked at a catering college as a cleaner and on a Friday night we would get what ever the students had made and left behind.

Usually we had lots and lots of rice from big sacks and curries or stews where potatoes featured heavily.
If occasionally we had fish and chips it would be 2 fish between 8 adults, children weren’t allowed fish and chips were only to be eaten 2 chips maximum to every round of bread.
I remember eating a lot of beans on toast for tea.
Apart from jam sandwiches I can never remember any body (adults included ) ever having more than one meal per day outside of school dinners.

Everything was bulked out with bread, potato and rice and nothing being thrown away.

It there was anything left over it was put in the pan for the next days meal.

I don’t think we have gone back. I think this sort of thing never went away.

However whilst a lot of time it was the immigrant community that went hungry it is now the poorer UK born people who are affected.

Passthecherrycoke · 09/11/2019 09:51

Well they’re not expensive. They’re mid range.

Akire · 09/11/2019 09:56

Think people mean rather buy value beans at 25p they buy own brand for 35p not branded for 50p. I always buy what I would be happy using myself.

divafever99 · 09/11/2019 10:08

Just watching this on catch up, it's shocking this is going on in 2019. I do donate to food banks whenever I see a donation bin in the supermarket, but will definitely make a conscious effort to do this more regularly.

Parsley65 · 09/11/2019 10:30

We don't have lots of money. I try to spend £5 of the weekly shop on stuff for the foodbank. I usually try to go for things that are on 'special'
but only things I would like to eat/drink myself. I usually concentrate on staples, but at this time of year it's more about treats and little luxuries.

GrumpyHoonMain · 09/11/2019 10:38

I have family who do frequently get down to their last £2 before payday. They use food banks too but wouldn’t need to if they stopped smoking / wasting money on energy drinks etc. I get why they do this - being poor is shit and if you don’t see a way out why should you save - but I feel their kids’ lives might be a little bit brighter if they were willing to manage their money a bit better on things that made the kids feel good. I grew up poor and it was always food and the things you needed to make food (gas, electric, rent etc) that was prioritized in terms of bills. Everything else could wait for a demand.

squee123 · 09/11/2019 11:12

As is so often the case, Terry Pratchett sums the issue up perfectly:

"The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness"

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/11/2019 11:18

Pratchett doesn't get enough recognition as a true philosopher of the people.

zsazsajuju · 09/11/2019 11:23

I tend to buy own brands for food bank as I usually buy that for myself and then I can buy more. Also they’re perfectly good, especially in Aldi. I do buy chocolate and “treat” things. Why waste money.

MsMellivora · 09/11/2019 11:28

Food banks have been around for decades I remember helping at my church as a child giving out butter and tins of stewed steak in the 1970’s. I have been involved with various foodbanks, food projects and studies on poverty levels and access to education for many years. All the people that come have a story that’s sad but I am going to write about the thankfully rarer but extremely difficult families as that was what I experienced as a child and have spent a lifetime trying to help, including at times my own destructive family. So this isn’t about the majority of people who need help because of a job loss, illness, single parenthood it’s about the sort of families that I assume anniemac1 finds frustrating though her post was deleted before I could read it. These are the hardest families to help.

I grew up in poverty due to alcoholism and a very violent stepfather and Mother, and they often let us go hungry. We were subject to sustained beatings and my stepfather tried to strangle me. He sexually abused his own biological child as well, my younger sister They had extremely well paid jobs but it all went on alcohol and things for themselves. I went to church at 12 of my own free will. I found people that treated me well.

How do we help children with parents like mine and they do sadly exist. Just one inspiring role model can change a child’s life. As well as the people at church who treated me with kindness I had a couple of amazing very inspiring teachers. Being in a family that’s very difficult if it’s all you know and don’t experience anything else, the hopelessness is contagious. But also moving away from that life my goodness I have been rounded on by some of my siblings. You become othered and your not part of the tribe anymore. I was called scum because I decided to go to my Mothers funeral as some boycotted it which was their right. I went because I wanted to say goodbye and tell her how awful she was and to say here I am despite what you did to me.

These are the very hard families to work with where addiction and destructive MH issues are at the forefront of their lives. I’m not talking about depression and PND here. My Mother put her children at risk many times. It’s hard to escape and so the cycle continues. Three of my siblings have taken part in criminal activity, two of my sisters have been in relationships with hardened criminals, two are alcoholics. I do understand why they are the way they are. It’s very hard for regular folk to understand the levels of cruelty some children have to endure.

I had a massive argument on here a few years ago about a documentary on childhood poverty, at that time some posters didn’t believe a child would be given just a sausage roll as their only food all day. That was my life, I’m glad to see that people are far more willing to believe this now. It was always there just more hidden. I have come in to contact with social workers, psychologists and advice services due to my work. I’m careful sharing what my past was like with anyone at all but to the very few who know something of it the people that work with these families they say it’s amazing you are not like that, I say the luck of having those role models.

Again please note I’m writing about abusive parenting not people who are just simply poor. So please do give to foodbanks it’s great but if anyone has the skills to volunteer doing something and to be that role model please consider it. I find MN quite teacher and church bashing sometimes but those people gave me a life.

ManiacalLapwing · 09/11/2019 11:34

I buy what I would buy for myself too. Sometimes there is a difference between the value brand and the regular supermarket brand, so then I don't buy the cheapest. I only buy mid range products for myself for things that really matter, where I have a favourite brand. I buy tins with a ring pull though, in case they don't have a tin opener.

feelingverylazytoday · 09/11/2019 12:00

Most supermarkets have rebranded their basic/value ranges, it's called things like creamfields, Mary Ann's, all different rustic sounding names. You just have to look for the cheapest brands. Everything I've tried has been pretty nice though, and I suppose doesn't have the same stigma that the old white and orange or blue packaging used to have.

pusspuss9 · 09/11/2019 12:02

if you leave porridge made with water in the fridge overnight it is creamy in the morning. With some grated apple in it and a bit of sugar it is tasty and nutritious. Vegetable soups with some potatoes or pasta in them are also filling, tasty and nutritious.

This doesn't have to be an either or situation which is what some posters are saying. There is certainly a place for these meals in a child's diet, whether they be poor or not. A mashed banana in milk as smoothie is also cheap and nutritious - far better than sugary cereal.
This is not to say that all is well for poor people , obviously it isn't , but some posters do their cause absolutely no favours by pretending that the cheap and nutritious meals mentioned above are somehow only applicable in the third world.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/11/2019 12:03

The nostalgia of kwik Save no fills stuff takes me back.

pusspuss9 · 09/11/2019 12:13

@msmellivora
such a sad but inspiring story. Thank you for sharing. I will never forget it. I hope it will inspire me to do better.

ManiacalLapwing · 09/11/2019 12:25

This doesn't have to be an either or situation which is what some posters are saying. I agree.

Obviously, if you are in temporary accommodation and so on then it would be much more difficult, but the first family in the episode were just on a low income. I have lived on benefits but with access to a hob and cookware, fridge and freezer, so that situation I have experienced.

The children in that family were clearly getting far too many empty calories but still looked malnourished and unwell. There is a middle ground between frozen pizza and vegetable soup where you can reduce empty calories and add nutrients for the same money. Red lentils in vegetable soup and some cheap bread for example. Maybe not doable on your last £2, but it is if you are trying to do a weekly grocery shop on £10.

Raphael34 · 09/11/2019 12:37

Can’t afford to feed themselves. So aswell as having 5 children they can’t look after, choose to buy a dog, a cat, 2 guinea pigs and hamster

apple0pie · 09/11/2019 12:39

Also watched this and I was heartbroken and felt physically sick last night when my we went out for dinner for an occasion and spent £200 on a meal for 7 of us.

I felt so guilty and so aware of how lucky I to have a nice job and afford treats and holidays etc.

😥

Raphael34 · 09/11/2019 13:29

I’ve just finished watching it now. There’s a huge difference between the two families. The first one are victims to their own bad choices. I can’t afford to keep a small petting zoo or run a car (I catch up to 8 buses a day to the children’s schools and clubs and oh commutes 3 hours a day on buses and trains), but I can afford to feed my kids. They’re pissing their money up the wall, they’d find it easier if they got their priorities straight. I feel a lot sorrier for the second family who found herself in that situation after a break up. But saying that she’s saying she can’t get a job and feed her family because she’s in temporary housing. The only reason she’s in temporary housing is because she’s refused 3 bedroom houses in other areas because she wants to stay where she is, in an affluent area near her mum. There are other options here to their children going hungry, unfortunately they’re not choosing them

mbosnz · 09/11/2019 13:30

Of course poverty is worse in some countries, and has been worse in past-times.

That does not provide a reason for not trying to improve the lot of those stuck in poverty. Which would actually be beneficial to society as a whole.

Aquilla · 09/11/2019 13:35

Is making porridge with water considered to be 'gruel' now? Well in that case, I grew up eating 'gruel'!

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/11/2019 13:35

I buy the own brands for myself.

I wouldn’t dream of spending money on recognised brand names.

My coffee which is from Lidl costs around £1.50
I think I saw a jar of Nescafé in the supermarket for £3 the other day I wasn’t taking much notice other than thinking it was twice the price for half the amount.