Will winter of 2019/2020 be an especially cold one?

[Woodlandwitch]

I know I know, every year the newspapers report of an upcoming arctic blast that will cause snowmageddon across the country and never appears.

But there was something that changed in the air one summer was finished that made me feel like this winter might be colder.

Along with the folklore of berries being in abundance which they most certainly are.

So, anyone who loves discussing the potential winter of England come on over...

I don't think the first half will be. Most indicators point to it being a very wet and possibly wild start to winter.
Possibly becoming cold after Christmas but that's too far in advance.

Lots of berries are because it was ideal growing conditions early in the year. In the past, before climate change, patterns in weather were more predictable.

we do have a weather topic if you'd like this thread in there? There are a number of weather watchers in there.

I noticed a mad amount of berries today on my trek through a rural area.

Funny, but we were discussing this at the yard this week, we’re forever talking about the weather so we know what rug to put on the horses. We think it’s going to be a hard one. We’ve had hard frosts in my area which reinforces our ideas.

By 'the papers' do you mean the Daily Express?

You might enjoy these:

www.meteogroup.com/blog/boy-who-cried-wolf-or-why-some-publications-keep-predicting-doom-and-gloom

www.indy100.com/article/the-daily-express-has-run-the-same-weather-story-every-year-for-5-years-and-got-it-wrong-7332186

www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/apr/09/daily-express-weather-warning-beware-a-shower-of-extreme-inaccuracy

Just England?

that is a fair point.

I wouldn't be surprised if we had another winter like 2010 again. I know we had the beast from the east last winter but although it was bad it was by no means as bad as 2010/11 when in the area where I live everything ground to a halt for several weeks, schools in this area were closed for over 2 weeks before christmas & most roads were blocked, public transport only ran very close to the city centre. We were tied to the house for over half of December, I had just moved in to my first home as a single parent, myself & ds who was only 6 both caught flu, we spent most of the time either in bed or cuddled up on the sofa under a duvet. I have always planned ever since from early October to fill my cupboards & freezer just in case as it took us nearly 2 hours to get to local shops & back, a walk that would normally have taken 10 minutes each way, I dumped ds in the bakery with a pile of money to get as much bread as he could while I went to the mini market next door for everything else. I never want to go through another winter like that again.

Its just that OP is limiting the post those living in England.

2010 has been the only year I remember the snow staying settled on the ground for weeks.

I’d love to know enough of the science behind that one

@OhYouBadBadKitten opps - I didn’t look hard enough. Should probably get this moved

I said England because even from someone living in Cornwall vs someone in Scotland could experience totally different winters, but add on a whole continent or world into a weather discussion and it wouldn’t make much sense

Yep. A cold one is definitely heading.

@BarbaraofSeville those articles are excellent. George Monbiot is a favourite 😊

ah, there's no rules Woodlandwitch, I can just be a bit obsessively tidy about threads sometimes :)

I've been digging deeper into the models and discussions this morning. What we aren't looking at for the first half is any sort of SSW.(sudden stratospheric warming) which has been the buzz word for recent extreme cold events. At the moment, there are some indications that exactly the opposite may happen - a very strong polar vortex. This is what could drive an unsettled and wet start to winter.

.i have no clue about Jan/Feb.

Note the 'may' and 'could' and also remember that I'm amateur and sometimes really crap at this