Has anyones kids had their first MMR at 4 years old and if so what side effects did they get?

[NellyMatrass]

First MMR at 4 years old

That first paper you linked to said nothing about vaccines being the CAUSE of anything. Just that they were one source of aluminium, amongst many. Again correlation on your part.

That they found aluminium in brain cells is , as they clearly state, something to be further studied, given the also clearly stated issues they had with small sample size, restricted samples etc.

The authors didn't jump to your conclusion!

www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/these-scientists-say-a-british-professors-claim-that

That Exley study has been widely criticised for a lack of control subjects. But there really isn't much point arguing with you so I'm out.

re science direct - the research was based on 10 people!!! really! hardly conclusive!
www.snopes.com/news/2017/05/17/vaccine-study-autism/
with regard to this organisation & their research
check sources!

That sciencedirect article is about need for additional care in vaccinating low birthweight neonates

Neonates are rarely immunised in UK, except with BCG in high risk communities. That jab does not contain aluminium.

The article is not relevant for normal weight children following the NHS schedule

Vaccines don't cause dyslexia or dyspraxia, but even if you want to believe they do I'd rather my child have those than get a potentially fatal disease like measles.

my child has dyslexia and dyspraxia, funnily enough so does my husband.

It wasn't her vaccines that caused it. I know 100% as she's had some health issues recently and it was discovered she has a suboptimal response to vaccines - none of them worked anyway.

@BlueGingerale

A sample size of 5.

“A limitation of our study is the small number of cases that were available to study and the limited availability of tissue. Regarding the latter, having access to only 1 g of frozen tissue and just 3 serial sections of fixed tissue per lobe would normally be perceived as a significant limitation. Certainly if we had not identified any significant deposits of aluminium in such a small (the average brain weighs between 1500 and 2000 g) sample of brain tissue then such a finding would be equivocal. However, the fact that we found aluminium in every sample of brain tissue, frozen or fixed, does suggest very strongly that individuals with a diagnosis of ASD have extraordinarily high levels of aluminium in their brain tissue and that this aluminium is pre-eminently associated with non-neuronal cells including microglia and other inflammatory monocytes.”

They couldn’t have high levels of aluminium from vaccines. Perhaps there were differences in how aluminium was processed by their bodies, which would be genetic, not caused. Perhaps they were fed formula from birth which affected their developing brains. Perhaps they lived somewhere with higher than average aluminium levels in the water. Perhaps they are local food which used that water in its production.

Nothing in that study says it was down to vaccine damage.

Your child will be fine, just give them the vaccinations, not doing so could have far graver consequences. I read today that the government is considering making them obligatory : www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49870387 I'm normally against government interference, however I absolutely can't understand why any parent would deliberately expose their child to danger by not giving them a simple and safe vaccine.

My boys were the first to have the mmr when it first came out.
I was a little concerned so asked my GP`s advice .
Suffice as to say the boys had it with no problems at all.

ignoring Blue Ginger - I am really glad to see how many people have reacted against this fake & fear making arguments. Their attitude is exactly the kind of thing that will cause epidemics of child diseases & all of the disabilities & deaths that have not been experienced for decades & fake methods of prevention that are far more dangerous. Op by all means talk to your doctor or nurse but the risks of disease is increasing.

By the way, OP, I couldn’t have the MMR as a child. I got the illnesses instead and was left with some permanent damage to my hearing. My DD got the jab the second she could.

@BlueGingerale it appears delayed vaccinations -with no sound medical support to do so- causes stupidity in mothers.

Perhaps it’s your gene combination that’s faulty.

What a fucking bullshit, awful thing to say! My dc are all vaccinated, however eldest has ASC. (No correlation I hasten to add)

None of our genes are “faulty”, thanks so much.

Scientifically speaking, if there is a gene which prevents aluminium being discarded by the body instead allowing it to cross the blood-brain barrier and cause conditions like ASD, dyslexia etc (as the studies linked by the PP imply) then that gene would indeed be faulty.

And it may be that that gene being faulty is affected/triggered by particular vaccines, but at the moment, there is no proof of that.

Given the genes we get are for the most part luck, it’s not impossible for faulty ones to be passed on or created.

Dyslexics are only disadvantaged in schools, and their way of assessing them

They have so many wonderful qualities that are actually an advantage for life.

Even if aluminium in vaccines was an issue, it wouldn’t be relevant here because neither of the MMR vaccines used in the U.K. (or anywhere else AFAIK) use aluminium salts as an adjuvent.

The ‘problem’ additive in MMR vaccines was supposed to be thiomersal but that’s never been used in the U.K. MMR.

There is a good article here which debunks the aluminium "study" blueginger referenced:

respectfulinsolence.com/2017/11/29/christopher-exley-using-bad-science-to-demonize-aluminum-adjuvants-in-vaccines/

The "study" she referenced was funded by the Children’s Medical Safety Research Institute (CMSRI), an absolutely rabid anti-vaxx organisation.

Please don't believe the dangerous lies being posted by this person.

Had my MMR at 30 and now I'm dead.

Nope actually I'm well and was exposed to measles this year. Twice.

Even if vaccines did cause autism, dyslexia, dyspraxia etc (which we have no evidence they do) I would rather risk my child having that than risk them having a serious, potentially fatal disease. And I say that as a parent of a child with a disability so I know how hard it is to live with. I really don't understand the anti-vax argument at all, even if what they believed was true.

dd started having very clear learning difficulties after her vaccinations

That must have been really difficult. But it doesn’t mean it was caused by the MMR. One of my twins had an enormous skills regression pretty much overnight and has since been diagnosed with autism. If it had happened around the time of a vaccination I would have probably linked the two but it was six months later and completely unrelated.

nobody has "perfect genes" we will all die of something some of us quicker than others - My theory is that ASD is like many inherited traits - there are versions which make their abilities' beneficial to society & to them as individuals - abilities to see details & remember them, for some excellent sense of direction (not all!), perhaps persistence led to the development of a stone axe or other things we haven't thought of - certainly there are people within the spectrum whose persistence & logic make for excellent researchers & historically people like Isaac Newton had traits. So a little less of the faulty genes, please -& yes I know that many need extra support but we are social animals & I think learning to care is as important to us as it is to the person who requires assistance (gets off soap box...)

Sorry. Am off my face on pain killers for a bad back and my vocab has left me. I don’t mean faulty, but I can’t remember what I do mean.

Had mine at 11, just had a sore bump on my arm for a couple of days.

I was autistic way before that though! :o

Side effects- mild flu like symptoms n and off for up to 6 weeks. Nothing long term.