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Is school wrong? Is this bullying.

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itsgettingweird · 28/09/2019 18:59

Reposted the below from chat. My friend still here and we are chatting but I'm unable to really help (mainly because I basically hate the school and all slt but with good reason - but it doesn't make me the most impartial person!!) and we'd love an outside POV.

This is posted for a friend who's here atm and very upset. She's not a member so has asked me to post on my account.
Our ds are long time friends, both yr 11 but different schools. (You can check my account and you'll see my ds is same age and he use to attend same school until he moved for yr 8).

Her ds was being 'teased' or we think bullied by a group of the 'hard' lads for a period of time. He ignored at first and then reported. Told to ignore and friend feels pretty ineffectively dealt with.

On Friday her ds was being called gay in front of loads of peers. He stood up for himself and asked how they figured that when he has a girlfriend.
The ringleader then said because everyone knows he's actually transgender. (F-m) That he was born as Olivia and Oliver is his new acquired name. (Not real names but they chose a female name close to his).
They then continued to state how he used to go to primary in skirts (untrue) and that's proof etc etc.

Obviously lies and was being done to either embarrass or just outright bully friends son.

Friends son has a transgender friend (M-F). He decided enough was enough and a) they need to get off his back and b) transphobia/ bullying needs to stop before they go too far and actually do pick on someone who is transgender.

Here's where it goes wrong in our opinion.

HOY has actually said he believe friends son is the transphobic one for being upset at being called transgender and he'll be speaking to head but most likely minimum punishment will be 2 days in isolation next week.

Friends ds has never so much as even had a detention. He's devastated and mortified. He reported as felt they needed to be stopped NOT because he thinks there is something wrong with being transgender.

My friend wants to keep him home Monday until it's sorted. (I said I wouldn't as yr 11) but would turn up at school first thing Monday and challenge the schools stance. (I can't go as this was school that failed to intervene when my own ds was bullied resulting in that kid pulling a knife on ds in class. He's one of the ones involved in this).

She doesn't think she'll get anywhere - school is an academy not known for its willingness to consider parents have any viewpoint even worth listening to (let alone changing their minds) and the only reason she's kept her son there (they've had a massive movement over the years) is that he keeps himself to himself, has great friends and is academically very able and studies hard independently so will do well at GCSEs.

Sons friends all want to challenge school too and she's concerned that will not end well for any of them. (The school is known for its autocratic approach and complete lack of tolerance for any challenge against them).

Have the wise MNers on my screen got any suggestions or any good ways she can word to the school that their take on this is wrong? Or does anyone agree with school and can explain to us where they are coming from?

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Prestel · 28/09/2019 20:04

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying your friend's DS complained to the school that other children were harrassing and telling lies about him and the school turned round and gave your friend's DS a two day isolation? What for? If I were your friend I would go down to the school and ask to see where it says in the school rules that objecting to being lied about is a punishable offence. I don't see what transphobia has to do with it. There's nothing wrong with being a girl either, but being called a girl when you're not is clearly bullying.

itsgettingweird · 28/09/2019 20:29

Boys were calling him gay and telling everyone he's transgender.

It was escalating so he reported to HOY and explained it in a way that he felt it was bullying because it was deliberately done to embarrass him in front of others.

HOY then said he was being homo and transphobic as being either of those things isn't embarrassing.

He said min punishment is 2 days isolation but could be external suspension. He's referring (referred to HT).

He emailed friend to say this and that her ds is to go to lesson as usual Monday and he'll be summoned to HT office as soon as decision is made but it'll be very quickly as they don't want students with such views mixing and influencing others - hence the punishment being to remove him for a few days.

Her ds has never been in trouble before. He keeps himself to himself.
School have history of being crap at dealing with bullying and safeguarding.
I can't be impartial as my history with school is awful (lado and ofsted involved as serious safeguarding failure)

But I think they have totally misunderstood her ds meaning or just done what they do and found a way to tick a box from it.

Her ds is scared he'll have an exclusion for homophobia and transphobia permanently on his record.

School are not known for their willingness to engage with parents. They say it's not a parents business what goes on in school and don't take kindly to challenge.

It would be good to know if anyone has any ideas where the school are coming from with this? And if she should fight or should just leave it and it'll all blow over in a few days?

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noblegiraffe · 28/09/2019 20:38

Telling lies about a person should be unacceptable whatever form those lies take.

Ask the school why they are condoning lies being spread. Ask why the DS should endure lies being spread about them (what the lies are is irrelevant).

Also ask the school why they are condoning using ‘gay’ and ‘transgender’ as an insult, as clearly the bullies using these terms are not using them in a value-neutral way.

I would suggest that the school condoning the use of gay and transgender as an insult is in itself homophobic and transphobic and you will be taking this higher if the pupils using these terms in this way are not dealt with satisfactorily.

Inebriati · 28/09/2019 20:40

Your friend could escalate. Go to the police and report a hate incident. She can ask them to have a word with the school as well, their response is out of order.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/what-are-hate-incidents-and-hate-crime/

FudgeBrownie2019 · 28/09/2019 20:43

So instead his Mum should use the same tactics and explain to HOY that she plans to spread lies about HOY to the other parents - just for a laugh, boys will be boys etc, just a joke and see how HOY feels when confronted with malicious untruths about themselves spread throughout school.

HOY is being a knob and needs to stamp out bullying in whichever form it takes. To turn it around on a student like this is beyond ridiculous and your friend needs to challenge the school's actions and take this a little further. The bullies were using gay and transgender as slurs, that's not in question. To then defend them is a revolting stance and puts HOY in a pretty stupid position where they're defending a pupil's right to call another pupil gay as an insult.

Smithy01 · 28/09/2019 20:49

Put it all in writing (get email addresses and send that way, can’t deny knowledge or content then) to HT and board of governors, I think things will change!

itsgettingweird · 28/09/2019 20:49

HOY is a knob! I have enough past dealings with him to know this.

However he also NEVER backs down. He'll keep changing story to suit his agenda and even complaints won't work because academies deal with own. And believe me that's even after you have written stuff from him that they just totally refuse to even acknowledge.

She likes what noble has suggested re questioning and is going to spend time tomorrow emailing a response using that advice.

She wants to know if she should say she'll keep ds home due to school being able to safeguard him until it's resolved or not?

She's very concerned that will cause more issues and the chances of them making life hard for her ds are real. And it's an important year.

I know some have read my threads re ds and this school (under a diff name) and so will understand they DO NOT back down or have any respect for parents (or students I think at times Hmm)

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itsgettingweird · 30/09/2019 16:46

Thanks for all advice.

Things didn't go well and I'm supporting my friend.

She has says Thankyou for great advice re questioning their stance but wishes not to post further info online as is afraid school will search and find it online and it'll make things worse.

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noblegiraffe · 30/09/2019 17:00

If you are who I think you are then good luck as she’ll need it.

If she wants to pursue it further then complaints procedure etc.

mbosnz · 30/09/2019 17:21

I wonder what would happen if your friend lawyered up?

mbosnz · 30/09/2019 17:26

Just wondering if this might be any use?

childlawadvice.org.uk/education/

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