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Any amateur genealogical detectives here that want to help me out please?

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Ancestrydotcom · 11/09/2019 10:40

So DH never knew his father. he was under the impression that it was the man my MIL had been married to but was split up with at the time of his conception (well, not at the exact time eh Hmm ). I've done DH's family tree on acnestry.com and from what I had seen his father was pretty English and had been for at least the few generations I went back.

I also looked up his mother's side both parents and found a reasonable amount on both of them as they have been mostly local for generations.

All English. And within a 100 mile radius for generations.

SO Dh did the DNA kit and came up as 40% Irish and The rest English and Scottish (with 7% Swedish for good measure)

I realise the DNA mapping is notoriously bad and they can't give you lots of info on it, however all of his closest matches are in NI, in fact they're all from the same town.

They range from 100 cm to 420cm.

I used the Leeds method to get four groupings which are supposed to correlate to each grandparent.

2 are definitely from the same area of Ireland. One is from where we expected it to be in England and the other Scotland/NI.

His grandparent had loads of siblings 10ish each. So there should be lots of people with his father or granddad's surname in his DNA matches right? He has none but we do find matches with maternal grandmother's maiden name.

So please can someone tell me if I am wildly off in thinking that his dad, and potentially also maternal grandfather are not who we think we they are? And if so, how do I find his father? I don't want to cause any issues by asking about the maternal grandfather as that is likely to cause hurt. My mil passed away and we can't ask her for any info. Her sibling was very confused and adamant that my dh's dad was who MIL had said it was and didn't know anything about any NI connections.

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YeOldeTrout · 11/09/2019 10:52

I never even heard of 'Leeds method' so you're ahead of me there.
I can only be sympathetic about pursing this kind of DNA trail.
I've finally had a break, response back from step-DD of my lost uncle, only for her to confirm he definitely doesn't want any contact. I am selfish... I still want to understand the circumstances how he was given away for adoption. Will keep trying to figure that out (but won't ask uncle for more info).

AFAIK, DNA is dodgy at telling you a true ethnic origins but it is quite reliable for confirming you have a legit kinship with someone specific.

Have you tried contacting the DNA matches in Ireland to ask if they would like you to help find mutual connections?

YeOldeTrout · 11/09/2019 10:55

Leeds method here, I am definitely gonna try that, many thanks.

Ancestrydotcom · 11/09/2019 10:59

Thanks for your response @Yeoldtrout

I was googling 'how to figure out who your family are with DNA' and that's where I read about the Leeds method. You do it on excel but I'm sure you could just as easily do it with colour pens and paper.

I have messaged the N Irish relatives and had some helpful responses but the problem is they are also looking to fill in some gaps, which obviously I couldn't do for them :( Also the ones who got back to me are on the lower side of the Cms 100s. So I guess they may not even know dh's dad.

The 420 person hasn't responded and I'm dying to hear back from them.

It's funny as Dh has an Irish surname from his step father and has spent his whole life telling people who ask him that, no he isn't Irish Grin He said it's a bit of a relief now it doesn't look like he is faking it Grin

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Ancestrydotcom · 11/09/2019 11:02

@YeOldeTrout

dnapainter.com/tools/probability

might be useful for you in figuring out who your uncle is?

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Ancestrydotcom · 11/09/2019 11:50

or does anyone have any good forum recommendations for me please?

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YeOldeTrout · 11/09/2019 14:19

Oh, I know how uncle is related. DNApainter was a huge help.
I don't know if my grandmother 'chose' the adoptive parents, I don't know who the father might be or how she knew him, I don't know if grandmother had contact since. I don't know what occupation uncle had, whether his adoptive family were as great as they looked on paper, whether uncle 'looks' like rest of us. Uncle lived whole life near biological family & may have interacted with siblings or rest of us, unknowingly. Not so unlike Steve Jobs shaking hands with his dad (unknowingly)... It seems uncle had no children of his own (true?). I don't think any of the children grandmother raised knows officially about the adopted baby, but they may know some other pieces of info about the events that yr. Was he given up at birth or later, how did people treat grandmother that year... How did she just carry on.

There's maybe a 5% chance that uncle's father is my grandfather. I'd like to know for sure. Maybe a Leeds method type approach could help there, I can't identify any relations to that grandfather so far.

YeOldeTrout · 11/09/2019 14:20

ps: 23&me? I think is the place for DNA sleuths. But you know than me, already.

LarkDescending · 11/09/2019 14:22

Come on over to Rootschat OP. Lots of experienced people over there to help.

Ancestrydotcom · 11/09/2019 15:11

ps: 23&me? I think is the place for DNA sleuths. But you know than me, already.

I honestly only know what I've gleaned from this week's frantic googling!

@larkdescending thank you I will sign up now.

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