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My teenage son is abusive

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pillowhead · 09/09/2019 22:43

I don't want my 14 year old son to live with us anymore. He's always been extremely difficult and it's just got worse and worse over the years. He's already at his second high school after a bout of severe school refusal. Now he's just started year 9 and it's only four days into the term, and he's already been pulled up for cutting registration and spray painting obscene words on the sports hall wall. He's heading for expulsion and I don't blame the school one bit. We sent him to private nurseries and he attended a very good private prep school until he was 9. We then moved him to an outstanding rated primary school, and from there he started year 7 in an outstanding high school that he promptly refused to attend. We then found him another outstanding high school - and he's messing that up too. He is highly verbally abusive to us all. He has no motivation to work in any activity unless it involves video games. We've tried banning the electronics, but then he just plagues our other two kids who are younger, to the point where they are beside themselves with distress. Over the years he's had educational psychology assessments, occupational therapy, 18 months of counselling therapy, specialist diets and more. My husband and I have bent over backwards to support him and help him. But all we've had back is abusive behaviour. I think he has PDA - an autism spectrum disorder because his behaviour can be so extreme. But sometimes I also wonder if I'm just looking for excuses because I've produced this jekyll and Hyde, child. This evening was the last straw for me. He started picking on his 7 year old sister. All she said was that she'd bitten her tongue and it hurt, and he went ballistic, calling her a b!Tch, a slut and a c*nt. He trapped her in her room with the light off and just bombarded her with foul language. At 7, this is serious abuse and is damaging for her. I don't want her to ever think that men and boys can treat her in this way. It's literally as bad as punching her in the face. He also calls her fat and tells her she was an accident and her dad and I never wanted her. He is highly manipulating and clever at cruelty... He's pretty foul to my other son too. But thankfully he's almost 12 and very smart, so recognises that his big brother is the one that's the problem.. I realise that sending him away could make him worse... I am desperately worried about that. But I will not stand for my daughter - or my middle son to be abused in this manner. I have to think of their welfare now. He's been given so much love and patience and opportunity. And now, she and my other son deserve some of that too, without living under the cloud of daily abuse. We are very financially stretched and can't afford to send him to boarding school. Does anyone have any suggestions that could help us? This situation is horribly difficult. You alway love your children - so having to send them away to something that might be worse for them, is a dreadful thing. However, I can't see my younger children being abused any more..

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lifeinthedeep · 09/09/2019 22:49

I don’t have much advise but I’m sorry for what you’re going through. I think you’re doing the correct thing by protecting your younger children. Have you ever contacted social services for help coping with his behaviour?

Singlenotsingle · 09/09/2019 22:50

I think I'd start off by speaking to your GP for advice, and then Social Services.

pillowhead · 09/09/2019 22:54

Thank you for your kind words. I have been in such turmoil over this. But I need to protect my little girl. I think Social Services will be our next move. If I could afford to send him to boarding school, I would do that. I just wondered if anyone knew of a state funded program I could try. This truly breaks my heart..

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Genderfree · 09/09/2019 22:56

I’m really sorry and I feel for you. A work colleague had this problem and quite frankly they put their son into a home. It really broke their hearts but he finished up being really violent to his siblings, especially his twin sister, and really couldn’t go on.

pillowhead · 09/09/2019 22:57

We have had loads of GP appointments and state funded counselling, occupational therapy, senco, educational psychologist assessments, and we also did a parenting course to help us manage him better. We haven't tried drugs. But I honestly don't think anti depressants are the solution. He's not unhappy. He just wants to have his own way all the time. And he has a very extreme temper.

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DogsandBoysmeanMud · 09/09/2019 22:59

Have a look at state funded boarding schools. There are a few. Depends where you are in the country.

katewhinesalot · 09/09/2019 23:01

No advice but good luck. You do have to think of your other children when you've tried everything else.

Puffty · 09/09/2019 23:02

@Pillowhead that is a heartbreaking and awful situation for you all. I'm so sorry
There are a number of state boarding schools around the country - a relative went to one. Sounds like he could with a spell in one of those US boot camps that turn tricky teens around followed by a good young adult male mentoring programme, though if you've got PDA on your hands it could be fruitless.
I've got no experience and little advice but really feel for you and you are right to protect your 2 other children. It must be particularly scary and bewildering for your daughter but don't underestimate the impact in your other son in case he's internalising and sucking up the stress. I hope someone comes along with great advice soon.

pillowhead · 09/09/2019 23:08

Thank you. I'm looking into this now. You still have to pay boarding fees and they will take his school behaviour into account. But it's definitely worth investigating.

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Puffty · 09/09/2019 23:09

States that The programme is two weeks long, and will be open to young people aged 14-18 years who are experiencing struggles and challenges. These might be expressed in ‘destructive’ or ‘anti-social’ ways and may have begun to affect education or future employment prospects. It is likely to be significantly affecting their relationships with the people around them. Family and friends will be concerned for their wellbeing and in their current state there may be a risk of harm to themselves or to others. It may be particularly effective for people who have tried traditional therapeutic support (counselling, psychotherapy, CBT, CAMHS, medication options etc.) but have not been able to make the changes they were hoping for.

pillowhead · 09/09/2019 23:10

Thank you Pufty. I saw that. It's £4.5k for three weeks though. But it's the kind of thing he really needs.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 09/09/2019 23:12

How completely terrifying and awful for all of you, I’m so sorry Flowers

I don’t have any advice but sending you sympathy and support.

Puffty · 09/09/2019 23:13

Lordy I neglected to read the price list but after reading your post I'd crowdfund you!
Joking aside good luck again. Meant to be sleeping but can't stop thinking about your situation

user1471519931 · 09/09/2019 23:20

You are an amazing mum for protecting your daughter and other son. Thanks

pillowhead · 09/09/2019 23:22

Bless you Pufty. That's very kind. I'm going to contact some state boarding schools tomorrow. If that yields nothing, I will speak to social services. This is heartbreaking. But I know it's the right decision. My other kids need this.

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Legoandloldolls · 09/09/2019 23:25

If he has PDA then maybe a highly academic outstanding school is the worse place for him.

I would phone MASH in the morning which is your route into social services to protect your other kids. Go into that with eyes wide open as without a diagnosed condition you might end up on child protection. But maybe that's what's needed.

Look into schools that cater for PDA. SEN schools know how to deal with this behaviour. There are Sen schools that do well with exams too

KeepHimJolene · 09/09/2019 23:26

STOP! What have the Ed Psychs said? Has he had a CAMHS referral and seen a Psychiatrist. You need a diagnosis and fast. You are describing psychopathic behaviour, not PDA or even ADHD as the main diagnosis. Ring the MASH hub (type MASH and your borough to get local details) tell them you need him removed from the home immediately because of the safety of your other children. Do not blame yourself, he has issues. They will place him in emergency foster care and from there to a local placement. Insist he leaves the home. They will get him assessed at a specialist 3Cs centre and have far quicker access to mental health services than children not in care. He needs a diagnosis you need a break. Well done for being brave enough to post this. Now you need to act.

KeepHimJolene · 09/09/2019 23:27

Do this in the morning, not now

pillowhead · 09/09/2019 23:49

Keephimjolene, he was diagnosed dyspraxic with discalculia, dysgraphia, sequencing and short term memory issues. So there are some learning challenges there. However, he is bright and very able to read emotions. But in my opinion he is unable to apply himself in any constructive way. Even as a little boy he never played with Lego or playdough or paints. His play wasn't in the least bit creative, just repetitive and controlling - which is odd in a child. He hit all his milestones late, had poor muscle tone. He slept badly too. Its so sad and upsetting because he looks so normal, and comes across as totally OK. Even his counsellor thought we were being hysterical because he can be very charming and articulate.. But we live with his obstinacies and temper and its not imagined in the least! We think he is PDA but our health authority doesn't recognise it so we can't get him statemented and into a PDA school...

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pillowhead · 09/09/2019 23:51

Legoandloldolls, I agree - but our local health authority doesn't recognise PDA... We can't get him statemented for it. So we can't get him into a PDA school...

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pillowhead · 09/09/2019 23:53

Keephimjolene he has also seen a psychiatrist. They say its anxiety related. But I know it's more than that.

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ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents · 10/09/2019 02:04

Honestly OP, it's vital now that you put your other children and their safety first. I have experienced first hand what the effects of abusive siblings does to a family, especially the other children and it is heartbreaking. It's insane to think a child can cause so much damage but unfortunately it does happen and the other children in the family suffer terribly.

I am so sorry for what you are going through but it's time for urgent action. This does not mean you love your son any less, but it's evident you do not have the resources to manage him and cannot help him improve. It's also not healthy for you and your husband as well as the other children to be around someone so violent and abusive. It IS damaging and even once he leaves it will take time and effort to resolve the effects of what's been experienced so far.

Contact social services and tell them you will not be looking after him and let them act. Whilst you can look at state funded boarding schools, if his behaviour is very extreme they will also kick him out and you will be back at square one. Furthermore, if you still have to pay some fees towards it, it will most likely be a waste of money.

Hopefully if you contact social services they can guide you correctly and give you the support you need and offer the best option for him and your family.

I do hope that him being away from you all is a wake up call for him and things change, but sometimes some people cannot be helped. Sadly, some do not have any mental health issues or disabilities either to help understand why they are a certain way, it's just who they are.

Please do not think as though you have failed him or that you are awful. Contacting social services is the hardest thing you will do, but it will be the best action for you all, you cannot keep living like this.

I wish you the best OP. Do not let anyone make you feel awful about the path you take, you know your situation better than anyone else.

Legoandloldolls · 10/09/2019 13:13

I have a son with dyspraxic and another with ASD. Have you got a local parent partnership ( called siass now). Try to contact them. My LA does not recognise PDA either, but the neighbouring counties do so people hop over the border for a diagnosis. I was quite active on the sen boards under another name years ago. Maybe you can get advise there?

Look up two charities - sossen and ipsea.

My dyspraxic son goes to a private den school. Kids leave there and have gone to Oxford. They have pda ( but not extreme behavioural issues).

Might not be your answer but it could be a route to explore? My LA pay for my sons fees. Took four appeals but hes in.

Dyspraxia, asd, pda - they are all comorbid. Hes could many things going on that's lead to mental health overload. Or it could be a combination of that and a mental health condition.

You need help to pick it apart but be kind to yourself, everyone has their limit