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Do I need a Smart Meter?

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LucilleBluth · 20/08/2019 13:02

I've just switched to British Gas and they're telling me that to get the cheapest tariff I need a smart meter.

I don't like the idea....am I being a Luddite?

OP posts:
CoolcoolcoolcoolcoolNoDoubt · 20/08/2019 16:50

Look into the real reasons that the companies want you to get a smart meter. Frankly anyone who signs up for one is a fool!

Can you enlighten us then? Smile

YouLookGood · 20/08/2019 18:39

No - Google it. Hmm

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 20/08/2019 19:06

Look into the real reasons that the companies want you to get a smart meter. Frankly anyone who signs up for one is a fool!

Can you enlighten us then? smile

I think calling people a fool is a bit strong, but what PPs say is true that it's for the companies' benefit - or, more to the point, the government's.

The giving you real-time actual cost is sold as the main benefit, and (if accurate and readings are actually used by the supplier), this might be a good thing, but, as has been said, you know how much you're paying each month and most people have an idea of which appliances use more or less electricity. If you have any doubt, you can buy a meter for about a tenner and test each appliance that has a plug individually just once. Even they have their limitations, though, as they tell you that, at current usage, your kettle would cost £4,000 a year - just in case you happen to keep it on the boil 24/7....

We're aware that switching off lights, washing machines, fridges etc will save us money; but we find these items essential to our lives, so what use is that? You know that your kids cost you a lot of money, but you don't start making plans to put them on eBay, do you? As the old saying goes, you don't fatten a pig by weighing it.

The real reason for smart meters is to link into the so-called Internet of Things that's planned along with 5G. There have already been news articles about vulnerable people being remotely monitored to see if their pattern of electricity usage changes (not put the telly on, not boiled the kettle, not opened the fridge etc). This is the plan for everybody - not to be concerned about the welfare of fit, healthy people, but to know exactly how all electricity is used and to persuade/bribe/force people to step into line. There have been a number of reports that people's electricity supplies can be switched off remotely if they have a smart meter. They could cut the power to your whole house or, in the not too distant future, just to individual appliances, if your usage is considered excessive. Maybe, to balance the overall grid demand, they'll switch off everybody's fridges and freezers for half an hour overnight to avoid power cuts, which I accept is not necessarily a bad thing.

They'll know exactly what make and model of every appliance you have and every second that you use it. Maybe your NHS records will have identified you as being overweight, however you watch your LG 4TH398WNP27 telly for many hours each day when you could be out exercising; so it's only for your own good that that gets zapped remotely after you've had your daily quota. Eventually, they'll be able to know at all times exactly what you have in your fridge, so better make sure that there's nothing unhealthy for the kids in there. If there is, maybe you need to attend 'education' in order to continue receiving child benefit.

Of course, this will all be hackable and criminals will also be able to find out when you're usually not at home. They'll be able to tell exactly what expensive nickable appliances you have by the frequency of their power draw and you house will become like a criminal's Argos catalogue.

It will also eventually provide evidence in suspected crime/legal/dispute cases (maybe also in divorce and child welfare situations) and be used by government departments to check up on you. You claim a single person's council tax discount or benefits based on being a single parent, but your usage level suggests that of two adults. You claim you don't have a job and claim unemployment benefits, but your usage times suggest you leave the house and return regularly in a pattern that suggests you do indeed have a job.

There will be 'incentives' for using electricity during off-peak times, as the prices will be much more per unit at peak times. A bit like with petrol and diesel, I don't believe they'll ever actually ban them - just make them so phenomenally expensive that people will voluntarily (or be financially forced to) give up their old cars.

Added to this that each meter costs £400, we're told (or that might be per household for two meters, not sure). That money will come from somewhere and I have a pretty good idea who will ultimately end up paying it. of course, millions of perfectly fine, working meters will be needlessly scrapped, with all of the associated environmental harm that will bring.

The benefit is that you don't have to spend 3 minutes each month to read the meters and submit it to your supplier online. The cost of that will be your privacy and, likely, ultimately, your agency to make decisions yourself for your own household.

That said, plenty of people are happy to have Alexas recording and feeding back everything that is ever said in their houses, so maybe they don't care. Have I got something to hide? Yes. Nothing illegal or immoral, but I just value my own privacy and don't want to change my name to Truman.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 20/08/2019 19:08

Added to this, there are also a great many health concerns being raised in relation to smart meters. How true/false/exaggerated they are, I don't know.

Granted, most people have smartphones and WiFi, which can have the same issues, but they can at least be switched off.

TheBiscuitStrikesBack · 20/08/2019 19:11

Worth pointing out that it is the government who wants smart meters installed in all homes, and it is them that have set such tight deadlines on the suppliers that they are resorting to hounding people.

I imagine the whole thing is a pain for the suppliers.

CoolcoolcoolcoolcoolNoDoubt · 20/08/2019 19:54

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Thanks for taking the time with that reply - every day is a school day!

Dowser · 20/08/2019 19:57

We live in enough electro magnetic smog as it is without adding to it
They are a big no from me

MattMagnolia · 20/08/2019 20:43

I got them purely because my electricity meter is inaccessible.
I don't use the monitor, you don’t need to. It’s good to only pay what you’ve used each month, your power company can't hang onto their customers’ money.

LeeJS · 20/08/2019 20:56

Yes, I'm afraid you are being a luddite. Why would you not want to know exactly how much you're spending in gas and/or electricity in real time? All of these flat earthers suggesting "they know better and you shouldn't have one" don't have a clue.

The government has set targets for smart meter penetration because they don't want the public spending more money than they have to as gas and electricity prices continue to rise. Those targets are not being met by the utilities companies and so they're pushing them harder to the public. They will be fined by the government if they do not put the meters in the hands of consumers so that consumers can try and save money by monitoring their fuel usage.

Why would anyone not one?

MissingMySleep · 20/08/2019 21:11

For years I've used these little gadgets you can get from. Ebay for about £10, they tell me how much electric I'm using. No need for the huge amounts of WiFi used by a smart meter.

YouLookGood · 20/08/2019 21:32

@LeeJS looks like you’ve cross posted with the excellent explanation for not having one up thread.

A further point I’d add is that if the house is cold, I’m going to put the fire on. If I want to be entertained, the TV is going on. If I want a coffee, the kettle’s going on. And if I’m making a roast chicken then the oven’s going on! A meter would in no way affect my usage whatsoever.

LeeJS · 20/08/2019 22:44

WiFi? Used by a smart meter? Yet more numpties you shouldn't listen to. They use 2.4Ghz ZigBee signals to communicate between the two boxes in your home and a mobile phone sub carrier frequency to talk back to the utility provider.

LeeJS · 20/08/2019 22:49

You may well understand what you use your electricity for but how much are you wasting? Right now how much is it costing you? Have you left the oven on? Lights on in rooms with no people in? Do you know how how much it costs to run an iron for an hour? A hairdryer for 20 minutes?

Why would anyone not want to know so they can see if they can save themselves money? I do not understand this luddite attitude towards technology.

Paddingtonthebear · 20/08/2019 22:51

We switched to Bulb a few months ago. They installed a smart meter and gave us an energy monitor.

None of it works and hasn’t since the day we got it. We have no idea how much we are using and they still haven’t been able to produce a bill. We have been taking manual readings from the smart meter, which is supposed to send the readings to Bulb automatically. The whole thing is a complete joke. It will cost us too much to switch supplier just before winter so we are having to stick it out with them but I would definitely not recommend them, there are so many people having issues with Bulb and smart meters if you look online.

FamilyOfAliens · 20/08/2019 22:57

All of these flat earthers suggesting "they know better and you shouldn't have one" don't have a clue.

DBro fits smart meters for a living. He hasn’t got one himself Grin.

ThirdAidKit · 20/08/2019 22:59

WeBuiltThisBuffet has it. Not a luddite IMHO...

wigglybluelines · 20/08/2019 23:02

We got a smart meter installed then changed supplier. New supplier can't use the existing meter.

We still have it but it's useless.

Until they sort that out, don't bother.

gamerchick · 20/08/2019 23:10

The government has set targets for smart meter penetration because they don't want the public spending more money than they have to

I actually laughed longer than I should have at that. God forbid the government doesn't want us to be ripped off. A tory government at that Grin

They will be fined by the government if they do not put the meters in the hands of consumers so that consumers can try and save money by monitoring their fuel usage

You make it sound like this government actually cares about the little people.

Anything the Tory's dish out is a lie unless you're independently wealthy. They don't give a fuck about us unless it benefits them in some way.

LeeJS · 21/08/2019 00:28

And what's your genius alternative theory for the government forcing utility companies to do something they don't want to do and will cost them money in the long run?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 21/08/2019 00:36

There is no particular benefit to them if you are sensible with how you use electricity. If you're clueless then they help show what is costing you money. The rest of the objections ar3 conspiracy theory nonsense. The main reason the energy companies want you to use them is because they get money from the government if you do and so the bills are accurate and they don't have all the complaints to deal with.

YouLookGood · 21/08/2019 00:39

Lights on in rooms with no people in?

No, we’ve all been trained to turn lights off as we go in this house.

Do you know how how much it costs to run an iron for an hour? A hairdryer for 20 minutes?

No, but the point is that I don’t care. If I have damp hair then I’m going to use the hairdryer until it’s dry. If some shirts need ironing then it’ll take as long as it takes.

I don’t think you read my last post. A smart meter - quite apart from the long list of issues posted upthread - would not change my usage in any way.

dianebrewster · 21/08/2019 00:49

Flat earthers? Lol. I have a PhD in computer science. Proper geek me. Cupboards full of tech. I've refused one, as have many of my friends and ex colleagues in computer science BECAUSE we understand how it works. Why would I install unreliable technology that has the power to cut off my energy supply without anyone having to enter my house? Additionally, according to the national audit office, 70% of smart meters stop being smart when you switch supplier. The newer, second generation meters should resolve this latter problem, but would you know which type of meter was being fitted in your house?

The technology is too unreliable and unstable atm for me to buy into it.

timestheybeachangin · 21/08/2019 01:33

Blimey WeBuiltThisBuffet, that all sounds way too tin foil hat for my liking.

My understanding was that it will help the energy companies understand supply and demand, be more responsive and resourceful, and better manage the energy supply and anticipate surges etc. This all sounds great given the climate crisis we’re currently facing. Couldn’t care less if it means “they” (who are “they” anyway?) know how often I switch on my kettle.

Vivianebrookskoviak · 21/08/2019 01:40

You don't need one. The only people who benefit are the energy companies.
If they try to make them compulsory then they'll have to force their way in to fit one. No way are we ever having one without them forcing their way in.

timestheybeachangin · 21/08/2019 01:41

I’m genuinely baffled why so many people are against them.

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